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		By: FarmerJ		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-489969</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-428676&quot;&gt;Ozdownunder&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes that’s Helen &#038; Mikkel. Carly Crutchfield is also 2nd from right in 2nd bottom row. Mike &#038; Veronica Hibbard from Coffs (Hibbard Homes and Veronica just set up a big IV drip business during Covid), 3rd from right 3rd bottom row. Bit hard to make everyone out on my phone…I can see Julian Dirou in there too (Sydney roofer).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-428676">Ozdownunder</a>.</p>
<p>Yes that’s Helen &amp; Mikkel. Carly Crutchfield is also 2nd from right in 2nd bottom row. Mike &amp; Veronica Hibbard from Coffs (Hibbard Homes and Veronica just set up a big IV drip business during Covid), 3rd from right 3rd bottom row. Bit hard to make everyone out on my phone…I can see Julian Dirou in there too (Sydney roofer).</p>
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		By: Dwarf Vader		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-435430</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2021 04:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-435384&quot;&gt;Alcoboy&lt;/a&gt;.

That much is true - after Smith died several sects emerged out of the original church, using the Book of Mormon as scripture but not all sharing the same teachings. Mormonism proved more adaptable in any case - and even the likes of the Unification Church and JWs.

And those sects do not have criminality written into their DNA to the point of locking up their own clergy in a concentration camp. Imagine studying your whole life to be a preacher or minister, only to be met with such a fate!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-435384">Alcoboy</a>.</p>
<p>That much is true &#8211; after Smith died several sects emerged out of the original church, using the Book of Mormon as scripture but not all sharing the same teachings. Mormonism proved more adaptable in any case &#8211; and even the likes of the Unification Church and JWs.</p>
<p>And those sects do not have criminality written into their DNA to the point of locking up their own clergy in a concentration camp. Imagine studying your whole life to be a preacher or minister, only to be met with such a fate!</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2021 00:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-433893&quot;&gt;Dwarf Vader&lt;/a&gt;.

True yet what was easy for Mormonism may not be that easy for Scientology. Remember that Scientologists consider LRH to be the source of Scientology. Everything Ron taught must remain as it is. This is unlike Mormonism where Joseph Smith was succeeded by a line of prophets who hold the same powers he did and therefore can alter whatever he said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-433893">Dwarf Vader</a>.</p>
<p>True yet what was easy for Mormonism may not be that easy for Scientology. Remember that Scientologists consider LRH to be the source of Scientology. Everything Ron taught must remain as it is. This is unlike Mormonism where Joseph Smith was succeeded by a line of prophets who hold the same powers he did and therefore can alter whatever he said.</p>
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		By: Dwarf Vader		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 05:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-431657&quot;&gt;Alcoboy&lt;/a&gt;.

Most religious sects have a better chance of long-term survival than Scientology even if they have less in a way of resources. Others just go about their businesses quietly or understand they need to adjust in order to survive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-431657">Alcoboy</a>.</p>
<p>Most religious sects have a better chance of long-term survival than Scientology even if they have less in a way of resources. Others just go about their businesses quietly or understand they need to adjust in order to survive.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-432543</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-428676&quot;&gt;Ozdownunder&lt;/a&gt;.

Bringing in outside donors indicates an org unable to raise money on its own.  We&#039;re seeing that now with well-known SFOs (small and failing orgs), which are many if not most of the orgs still left to go &#039;ideal&#039; - and also many of those that bought a building to renovate going on a decade or more ago, and have been unable to do anything with it.

Thanks to you and others for identify the donors and where they&#039;re actually from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-428676">Ozdownunder</a>.</p>
<p>Bringing in outside donors indicates an org unable to raise money on its own.  We&#8217;re seeing that now with well-known SFOs (small and failing orgs), which are many if not most of the orgs still left to go &#8216;ideal&#8217; &#8211; and also many of those that bought a building to renovate going on a decade or more ago, and have been unable to do anything with it.</p>
<p>Thanks to you and others for identify the donors and where they&#8217;re actually from.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2021 00:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-427637&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

The Mormons entered the Salt Lake valley as wildeyed polygamists. They essentially gave the government the finger because they had gotten permission to do polygamy from their prophet Joseph Smith. So there!
Flash forward to 1889 and the Federal government comes out with its Edmunds-Tucker act which essentially allows it to put LDS inc. out of business. One year later, they announce that God has commanded them to give up polygamy. 
Now the Mormon Church has to rebrand itself in order to survive. And it&#039;s been doing this since 1890.
Yet those pesky old doctrines keep popping up.
I see Scientology going down a similar road.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-427637">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>The Mormons entered the Salt Lake valley as wildeyed polygamists. They essentially gave the government the finger because they had gotten permission to do polygamy from their prophet Joseph Smith. So there!<br />
Flash forward to 1889 and the Federal government comes out with its Edmunds-Tucker act which essentially allows it to put LDS inc. out of business. One year later, they announce that God has commanded them to give up polygamy.<br />
Now the Mormon Church has to rebrand itself in order to survive. And it&#8217;s been doing this since 1890.<br />
Yet those pesky old doctrines keep popping up.<br />
I see Scientology going down a similar road.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-429019</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 03:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-428534&quot;&gt;Pat Broeker&lt;/a&gt;.

A couple of early &quot;ideal&quot; projects were resold because requirements for minimum size apparently changed, as seems to have been the case with the historic hotel the Boston org first bought.  I would have thought they had that issue ironed out with recent purchases, 

Or are we even entirely sure, they actually complete the purchase, which can sometimes be contingent on architectural planning and approvals?  The CofS has a track record of mis-representing the status of what are only prospective property deals.

There would really be no precedent for flipping a property so quickly, even though the &quot;ideal&quot; scheme has been accused of being a real estate investment scam.  The Boston property seems to have finally been sold for a profit, but only after more than a decade of machinations during which they racked up a lot of property tax bills, and they may just have been lucky to have bought that one building in what turned out to be a hot area for redevelopment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-428534">Pat Broeker</a>.</p>
<p>A couple of early &#8220;ideal&#8221; projects were resold because requirements for minimum size apparently changed, as seems to have been the case with the historic hotel the Boston org first bought.  I would have thought they had that issue ironed out with recent purchases, </p>
<p>Or are we even entirely sure, they actually complete the purchase, which can sometimes be contingent on architectural planning and approvals?  The CofS has a track record of mis-representing the status of what are only prospective property deals.</p>
<p>There would really be no precedent for flipping a property so quickly, even though the &#8220;ideal&#8221; scheme has been accused of being a real estate investment scam.  The Boston property seems to have finally been sold for a profit, but only after more than a decade of machinations during which they racked up a lot of property tax bills, and they may just have been lucky to have bought that one building in what turned out to be a hot area for redevelopment.</p>
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		By: Ozdownunder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2021 10:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Difficult to read names in the picture but couple bottom left looks like it’s Mikel Lindsaar and Helen Cho. They are from Sydney, Australia.

Second row far right, even more difficult to read but is that Virginia and Michael Gordon, if so, they are from south of Brisbane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Difficult to read names in the picture but couple bottom left looks like it’s Mikel Lindsaar and Helen Cho. They are from Sydney, Australia.</p>
<p>Second row far right, even more difficult to read but is that Virginia and Michael Gordon, if so, they are from south of Brisbane.</p>
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		By: Ozdownunder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2021 09:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-428011&quot;&gt;Jen&lt;/a&gt;.

Reinteractive is full of Scientologists and the director through three overarching  companies including MPOL is Mikel Lindsaar. Mikel is also director of Hubbard College of Administration Sydney and linked to WISE and Prosperity Planner. The links continue through SELLability, Exec.IO, Envisage and StoreConnect Pty Ltd, amongst others. The scary thing is storeConnect, a very new company (2021) and connects to many main stream Australian businesses which I am sure they are trying to infiltrate and funnel into Scientology.  It’s all very intertwined with direct links back to Scientology and Hubbard College of Administration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-428011">Jen</a>.</p>
<p>Reinteractive is full of Scientologists and the director through three overarching  companies including MPOL is Mikel Lindsaar. Mikel is also director of Hubbard College of Administration Sydney and linked to WISE and Prosperity Planner. The links continue through SELLability, Exec.IO, Envisage and StoreConnect Pty Ltd, amongst others. The scary thing is storeConnect, a very new company (2021) and connects to many main stream Australian businesses which I am sure they are trying to infiltrate and funnel into Scientology.  It’s all very intertwined with direct links back to Scientology and Hubbard College of Administration.</p>
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		By: Pat Broeker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2021 03:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-427414&quot;&gt;Joe&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s an interesting building. It might be too small. 50,000 sq ft is the standard. 4645.152 sqm in Australia. They may have to add something. That&#039;s what they did in Harlem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/where-have-all-the-humanitarians-gone/#comment-427414">Joe</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting building. It might be too small. 50,000 sq ft is the standard. 4645.152 sqm in Australia. They may have to add something. That&#8217;s what they did in Harlem.</p>
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