I can’t really imagine the affect of that betrayal that must have had on not only the friends that he had but I mean you and Christie. After he helped so many it kind of gave me a mixed emotions. But anyway I really enjoyed this video it was informative on who Marty was and what you thought and what you saw in him. But the question is that you answered from the viewers were also fun to listen to. You all are very entertaining group to listen to you guys are like a family and it’s nice to see that knowing that you all lost your families.

Sending so much love to you all from Maine❤️

Ashton

Linda,

Its only now that I’m reading your response. Sorry for the delay.

We are totally on the same page, you and I, with regard to Marty Rathbun.

I too admire him and am grateful to him. But trust him, now? No, I cannot. I did trust him once, but an abrupt withdrawel from communication and an effective disconnection with no explanation ended that trust of course.

That said, without knowing the actual facts, I do not – cannot – blame him. Who knows what pressures were brought to bear on him? We’ve all been speculating. Or maybe he just got tired and wanted the money. Or a combination of both. Who knows?

There’s this void, and llike so many others I would like it filled with actual facts so that I can feel whatever I will feel based on the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But I’m not holding my breath, and my respect for his courage and leadership, as well as my gratitude to him remain untarnished. This is easy for me because he didn’t hurt or betray me PERSONALLY.

I too believe that we have lived many lives and will continue to do so, and that lessons not learned in any current lifetime
will not disappear, but will have to be resolved in future lifetimes. I’m very glad that I believe in past lives and future lives for myself as it makes physical body death not a big deal.

I just hope I don’t have to come back as a man. Shaving my face, no more frilly lingerie…I’m not gonna like it.

Aquamarine, I am not offended and glad to entertain a well thought out reply. I understand everything you are saying here. I have tried my best to remain non-judgemental of all involved. It is an interesting exercise.

Yes, I felt betrayed as well when Marty left the Indy movement and disappointed when he and Mosey dropped their legal case. And yes, I have been mightily betrayed and judgemental of others but as time has passed, I have found it in my heart to forgive, but I don’t forget and don’t completely trust that person again. It is part of learning lessons and growing spiritually.

You didn’t think you were getting out of this lifetime completely unscathed, did you? We have suffered betrayal after betrayal from the beginning of the universe all the way to now, here on Earth.

I too feel we all owe a great deal to Marty and what he did for the Indy movement, and really, for his push for each of us to examine our individual sovereignty outside and away from Scn. His reading recommendations were excellent, thought provoking. From his blog I learned many new concepts about ethos, pathos and logos. Am I intellectually engaged by him? Yes. Trust him? I don’t know; the jury is still out. Not all evidence has been presented.

It is said that before we started our incarnation, as the best of the best coming here, we all agreed to these things and signed contracts to do so. We came here to complete a mission. Well. Wasn’t/isn’t Marty and his input, an interesting, exciting part of that mission? Did you learn anything? I sure have. We’ve survived Miscavige, Marty and Scn/SO/Indy movement and have lived to tell about it!

Is there more to come? Quite probably. Buckle up!

Oh, God, I’m cringing. The ghost of Archie Bunker lives with these typos: “exoriation” is how the word is spelled.

PS: Grammar errors galore, sorry. Always the case when I’m typing emotional and typing 🙂

Linda, just an fyi; in your exoritation of the people you believe are being unfairly judgemental of Marty Rathbun, you sound decidedly judgemental yourself.

“Marty changed his mind…so what?” Seriously?

Quite a disingenuous dismissal of an uncommunicated and completely as yet to date unexplained decision, a decision which shocked and stunned his friends and supporters. and a decision which continues to reverberate and “stick” them because from him to date there has been no explanation.

Can you understand how different the reaction would have been if there had been some prior explanation forthcoming from him? Of course, given the nature of the decision he could NOT explain, was forbidden from explaining, but that does not mitigate the reaction that his decision caused.

And lest you think I am whining and moaning about his change of heart, you should know that on this blog and elsewhere I have shared that Marty Rathbun’s blog was of incalculable assistance to me back in the day when I was UTR and quietly gathering the strength and courage to leave the cult. In fact, I don’t think I could have left without having been able to read it every day back then. I’ve shared it before with everyone here: I have no back off in stating that I owe Marty Rathbun a great debt.

This is a blog wherein people who have been in varying degrees wounded by their own decisions with regard to the Church of Scientology. It is a safe spent to vent.
Another point:

When people vent here, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they haven’t “moved on”.

With regard to Marty’s sudden, unexplained and apparently totally non sequitur turn around, there were people close to him whose trust in him was severely betrayed. Betrayal after trust hurts. I personally was not hurt. I was quite unpleasantly surprised, and quite puzzled. But Marty double-crossed a number of people close to him. Of course they got over it. Of course they’ve moved on.

But hurt like this doesn’t go away, especially when one never hears the real reason(s) from the person who inflicted it. Hurt like this is a total mindfuck and a heartfuck, Linda. It STAYS there.

Have you ever trusted anyone, really trusted someone, and then been screwed over by that person, with no explanation whatsoever? If so, how did that feel? Can you still feel it? I’ll bet you can, even though it is not keeping you from functioning or enjoying much else of what your life has to offer.

Thank you for reading this and I hope that it has not given you any offense, because I too believe that the ongoing judging others can be quite detrimental to one’s own mental, emothional and even physical health.

But, hey, you know? Its hard, sometimes, to let go, to forgive. Betrayal after trust is the worst – really there is nothing worse.

I’m not taking sides as to who may be right, who may be wrong. Choosing sides and JUDGING. resultingly beefs up the battle, war, or bank, if you’d like. It’s starting another me-against-you. It’s a manipulation to persuade the viewer to choose sides, to choose and judge who is right, who is wrong. It’ll stick you on your time track.

Marty has done whatever he has done and will have to live with his decisions, just as anyone would. Did he kill you? Steal your spouse or your money away from you? Some other crime(s) against humanity?

Marty changed his mind….so what!? You’ve judged that he’s been treasonous to you, well, move on; then he’s not your friend, disconnect. Marty chose his path, you choose your path and get on with it. You don’t have to listen to Marty. Make up your own mind about Scn/SO/Indy movement and move on with your life. Does judging Marty (or anyone else for that matter) about his sanity/insanity make your life any better or easier?

I’ve crawled out of the Scn rabbit-hole by making up my own mind. I’ve made up my own mind and then changed my mind and then changed it again as I study other people and what they say/do. I’m not a victim of my Scn/SO/Indie Scn experience; I walked into it, experienced it, learned my lessons and left. What works for me, works for me, what works for you, works for you. Or it doesn’t and then maybe you’ll change your mind too. It is not a crime to change your mind!

Marty and all the other billions on this planet are not the cause in your life, you are.

As a writer with 30+ year’s experience in a variety of disciplines, a certificated English teacher and a certified Master Tutor with the College Reading and Learning Association, to me this does not read like Marty is trying to explain HIS concept of God. To me, this reads to me like Marty is pumping out what he thinks OTHERS will believe is his concept of God, in an attempt to convince those with whom he has dealt falsely that he has “seen the light.”

Many convicts do the same thing in an attempt to convince a parole board they are reformed, and this Martypedia entry feels like this to me. He knows he has jettisoned all of his former friendships, and cannot go back to them for solace, so he does the next thing he thinks of — a jailhouse conversion.

And most jailhouse conversions are fleeting. We’ll see how long this one lasts.

Have you listen to him lying his face off about Mike and Leah, or read his BS?

This man totally Effed over many truly good people who are doing good things all while having their own recovery from the cult.

He LIES on camera against good people.

He can’t be trusted and his filth is out there for others to see.

Speaking out against him is important.