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		By: xTeamXenu75to03		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-507368</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[over staffing, over building, of dodgy quack pseudo-therapy/exorcism business.

Getting others consumed with making the quackery pseudo-therapy/exorcism training and delivering, too many staff, too many executives, too much bureaucracy.....

.....and then methodically blaming all concerned when the overstaffed operation fails at selling the quackery.  

Setting up grandiose goals tie them to the overbuilt empire, and blame all who participate.

Those who escape blame would be the whales.

And the whales end up secure from the blame, so long as they keep funding this non working overbuilt auto pilot self blaming operation as it continually fails, day in day out.  

Scientology, built by nutty L. Ron Hubbard.  

With Xenu and body-thetans words unallowed to be defined, except by quitters and outsiders.

And when the nut Hubbard is near to death, he admits to one person that he failed, and he sure did, and now all in Scientology share that identical secret themselves.

Failing with Hubbard.  

All anyone needs talk about Scientology is the Xenu dumping of R6 implanted body-thetans which require OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism to remove from one&#039;s human body.

Scientology is a long runway overstaffed institutionalized self blaming snipe hunting operation chasing Xenu&#039;s dumped body-thetans.   

An impossible proposition, except for the productive already rich whales and upper middle class who aren&#039;t ruined by funding this operation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over staffing, over building, of dodgy quack pseudo-therapy/exorcism business.</p>
<p>Getting others consumed with making the quackery pseudo-therapy/exorcism training and delivering, too many staff, too many executives, too much bureaucracy&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;..and then methodically blaming all concerned when the overstaffed operation fails at selling the quackery.  </p>
<p>Setting up grandiose goals tie them to the overbuilt empire, and blame all who participate.</p>
<p>Those who escape blame would be the whales.</p>
<p>And the whales end up secure from the blame, so long as they keep funding this non working overbuilt auto pilot self blaming operation as it continually fails, day in day out.  </p>
<p>Scientology, built by nutty L. Ron Hubbard.  </p>
<p>With Xenu and body-thetans words unallowed to be defined, except by quitters and outsiders.</p>
<p>And when the nut Hubbard is near to death, he admits to one person that he failed, and he sure did, and now all in Scientology share that identical secret themselves.</p>
<p>Failing with Hubbard.  </p>
<p>All anyone needs talk about Scientology is the Xenu dumping of R6 implanted body-thetans which require OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism to remove from one&#8217;s human body.</p>
<p>Scientology is a long runway overstaffed institutionalized self blaming snipe hunting operation chasing Xenu&#8217;s dumped body-thetans.   </p>
<p>An impossible proposition, except for the productive already rich whales and upper middle class who aren&#8217;t ruined by funding this operation.</p>
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		By: Mick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2022 01:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-485929&quot;&gt;Mick Wenlock&lt;/a&gt;.

oops, late spring 1979!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-485929">Mick Wenlock</a>.</p>
<p>oops, late spring 1979!!!!</p>
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		By: Mick Wenlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-485910&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

aha, thanks Mike. Gawd what a disaster. 

Not sure if you remember the series of undercover &quot;obs missions&quot; that were done in late spring 1978? I did NYF and Bsn D . I was impressed with Bsn D Div 6, impressed with the building. It was an org that was gradually disintegrating alas.. That was just before (IIRC) our mission to AOLA. 

Thanks for posting all this stuff Mike - keeps my old memory cells alive I think. LOL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-485910">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>aha, thanks Mike. Gawd what a disaster. </p>
<p>Not sure if you remember the series of undercover &#8220;obs missions&#8221; that were done in late spring 1978? I did NYF and Bsn D . I was impressed with Bsn D Div 6, impressed with the building. It was an org that was gradually disintegrating alas.. That was just before (IIRC) our mission to AOLA. </p>
<p>Thanks for posting all this stuff Mike &#8211; keeps my old memory cells alive I think. LOL</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2022 11:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-485873&quot;&gt;Mick Wenlock&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry Mick. It was fresh in my mind when I wrote this, but I had to go look it up. I was referring to this: https://www.mikerindersblog.org/boston-the-model-ideal-fail/

I added this as a hyperlink to the reference in the posting now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-485873">Mick Wenlock</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry Mick. It was fresh in my mind when I wrote this, but I had to go look it up. I was referring to this: <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/boston-the-model-ideal-fail/" rel="ugc">https://www.mikerindersblog.org/boston-the-model-ideal-fail/</a></p>
<p>I added this as a hyperlink to the reference in the posting now.</p>
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		By: Mick Wenlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2022 02:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article Mike - nice to get the back story for those three first &quot;ideal orgs&quot;. Typical ad hoc thinking by DM - turned a bad idea into an awful policy.

What was the &quot;disaster&quot; in Boston that you referred to?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Mike &#8211; nice to get the back story for those three first &#8220;ideal orgs&#8221;. Typical ad hoc thinking by DM &#8211; turned a bad idea into an awful policy.</p>
<p>What was the &#8220;disaster&#8221; in Boston that you referred to?</p>
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		By: Scott Autry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2022 21:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-456773&quot;&gt;Scott Autry&lt;/a&gt;.

An Arrest Warrant isn’t a Judge making a final decision that Scientology is Guilty. It simply says there is enough evidence to warrant a Prosecutor + the Police to investigate the Case for possible Criminal Trial.

Somewhere in the country, I have to believe there are Judges + Prosecutors that would be willing to pursue criminal Fraud charges against local Scientology Orgs despite what clauses the Contracts members have signed.

If I sign a Contact that says I am giving Mike Render $5,000 to shoot me + cut off my head and he can’t be charged for Homicide or sued by my family because I am giving him permission to do it ——- he’s going to get arrested for Homicide — because a Contract or Clauses in a Contract cannot negate Laws.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs-redux/#comment-456773">Scott Autry</a>.</p>
<p>An Arrest Warrant isn’t a Judge making a final decision that Scientology is Guilty. It simply says there is enough evidence to warrant a Prosecutor + the Police to investigate the Case for possible Criminal Trial.</p>
<p>Somewhere in the country, I have to believe there are Judges + Prosecutors that would be willing to pursue criminal Fraud charges against local Scientology Orgs despite what clauses the Contracts members have signed.</p>
<p>If I sign a Contact that says I am giving Mike Render $5,000 to shoot me + cut off my head and he can’t be charged for Homicide or sued by my family because I am giving him permission to do it ——- he’s going to get arrested for Homicide — because a Contract or Clauses in a Contract cannot negate Laws.</p>
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		By: Scott Autry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2022 21:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Slightly off topic:  Have multiple ex-Scientologists who can’t get their $ back tried Criminal Complaints/Warrants…?

I’m rewatching the Aftermath episode on lawsuits + the contracts that are supposed to skirt the Law as if a person can sign away his Rights.

1st - the Law is not absolute. It’s a process. Judges + Juries make decisions to apply the Law. Sometimes, a judge in one jurisdiction makes one ruling + a judge in a different one gives a contradictory ruling in another.

2nd - Criminal Courts are different from Civil. You don’t have to worry about Arbitration Clauses in a contract when making a Criminal Charge in a Criminal Court.

Why can’t multiple ex-Scientologists-  who have the will to do so - go to a Criminal Court in the jurisdiction where they used to get Scientology Auditing + Courses and petition a Judge to issue a Criminal Warrant for ongoing Fraud…?

The Church Documents are so clearly designed to attempt to skirt the Law to in effect make Fraud “Legal” -  somewhere in the Untied States, I’d bet, you could find multiple judges willing to agree that there is Probable Cause that a crime has been committed for the Court to issue an Arrest Warrant.

An Arrest Warrant would make it the duty of the Police to make an arrest + compel the Prosecutor to investigate + prepare a possible Court Case.

The attempt to defraud is so obvious, I’d bet multiple Prosecutors would end up somewhere bringing a case to Trial if a Judge issued a Warrant…

And if a Criminal Court took up a trial for Fraud, it would likely open the door to better treatment in Civil Courts concerning the Contracts that require Arbitration + sign away a Church member’s rights.

A Contract that has clauses that violate the Law are null + void.

I’d think perusing the Church multiple times in the Criminal Courts across the country would help convince Civil Court Judges that the Contracts the Church uses are —- not Legal or legally binding…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic:  Have multiple ex-Scientologists who can’t get their $ back tried Criminal Complaints/Warrants…?</p>
<p>I’m rewatching the Aftermath episode on lawsuits + the contracts that are supposed to skirt the Law as if a person can sign away his Rights.</p>
<p>1st &#8211; the Law is not absolute. It’s a process. Judges + Juries make decisions to apply the Law. Sometimes, a judge in one jurisdiction makes one ruling + a judge in a different one gives a contradictory ruling in another.</p>
<p>2nd &#8211; Criminal Courts are different from Civil. You don’t have to worry about Arbitration Clauses in a contract when making a Criminal Charge in a Criminal Court.</p>
<p>Why can’t multiple ex-Scientologists-  who have the will to do so &#8211; go to a Criminal Court in the jurisdiction where they used to get Scientology Auditing + Courses and petition a Judge to issue a Criminal Warrant for ongoing Fraud…?</p>
<p>The Church Documents are so clearly designed to attempt to skirt the Law to in effect make Fraud “Legal” &#8211;  somewhere in the Untied States, I’d bet, you could find multiple judges willing to agree that there is Probable Cause that a crime has been committed for the Court to issue an Arrest Warrant.</p>
<p>An Arrest Warrant would make it the duty of the Police to make an arrest + compel the Prosecutor to investigate + prepare a possible Court Case.</p>
<p>The attempt to defraud is so obvious, I’d bet multiple Prosecutors would end up somewhere bringing a case to Trial if a Judge issued a Warrant…</p>
<p>And if a Criminal Court took up a trial for Fraud, it would likely open the door to better treatment in Civil Courts concerning the Contracts that require Arbitration + sign away a Church member’s rights.</p>
<p>A Contract that has clauses that violate the Law are null + void.</p>
<p>I’d think perusing the Church multiple times in the Criminal Courts across the country would help convince Civil Court Judges that the Contracts the Church uses are —- not Legal or legally binding…</p>
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		By: Episode 76: Professor Aharon Friedman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Ideal Org program &#8212; an earlier post I did to explain the origins and reasons for this failed [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Our 10th Anniversary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 05:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Why Ideal Orgs? Redux [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: How Big is &#8220;St Hill Size&#8221;		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] disappear if they got larger, more empty space. At least they would look more impressive. I have covered the Ideal Org scam in detail in earlier [&#8230;]]]></description>
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