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		By: Writers of the Future and Scientology Redux		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-217008</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] speeches are allegedly used at Scientology ceremonies. Former Scientologist Mike Rinder writes that the winners&#8217; speeches and photos are used at week&#8230;, as a way of bestowing legitimacy on both L. Ron Hubbard and the [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] speeches are allegedly used at Scientology ceremonies. Former Scientologist Mike Rinder writes that the winners&#8217; speeches and photos are used at week&#8230;, as a way of bestowing legitimacy on both L. Ron Hubbard and the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216266</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216200&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyx75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Chuck]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216200">chuckbeattyx75to03</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Chuck</p>
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		By: Balletlady		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216262</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Found this article about Cruise/Travolta....dk if it&#039;s new or old news or newsworthy at all...but here you go

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/dee59457-6e91-3f4a-ba51-63e30546c308/ss_inside-tom-cruise-and-john.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this article about Cruise/Travolta&#8230;.dk if it&#8217;s new or old news or newsworthy at all&#8230;but here you go</p>
<p><a href="https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/dee59457-6e91-3f4a-ba51-63e30546c308/ss_inside-tom-cruise-and-john.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/dee59457-6e91-3f4a-ba51-63e30546c308/ss_inside-tom-cruise-and-john.html</a></p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216229</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 02:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216159&quot;&gt;Misty Phipps&lt;/a&gt;.

The JWs are very aggressive and THICK.  Open the door to them once and they&#039;ll always  return.   A polite refusal is beyond their ability to comprehend.  Feed them once and they&#039;ll press the bar for their pellet forevermore.   Nut jobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216159">Misty Phipps</a>.</p>
<p>The JWs are very aggressive and THICK.  Open the door to them once and they&#8217;ll always  return.   A polite refusal is beyond their ability to comprehend.  Feed them once and they&#8217;ll press the bar for their pellet forevermore.   Nut jobs.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216228</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 02:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216151&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

And being bullbaited by the Moonies :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216151">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>And being bullbaited by the Moonies 🙂</p>
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		By: Peggy L		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216220</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 00:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216185&quot;&gt;Francois Tremblay&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216185">Francois Tremblay</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyx75to03		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216217</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216207&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

One more answer, if you painfully read the Introduction to &quot;Battlefield Earth&quot; and if you read the &quot;Rocky Mountain News&quot; article  when BE came out, the fake Hubbard interview which possibly even Vaughn Young did most of the writing for that article/interview, Hubbard touches on why he chose &quot;hard&quot; science fiction over fantasy, a PR answer by Hubbard is how I saw that.   I just didn&#039;t know what else were his motives, in fact when BE came out, I didn&#039;t even know he&#039;d already written and didn&#039;t push into production &quot;Revolt Int The Stars&quot; (nor did I even know that Xenu was a character in &quot;Revolt In The Stars&quot; and I didn&#039;t know OT 3 story to even know that &quot;Revolt In The Stars&quot; could and would have been a great tying together of fiction to reality, a message which he possibly even wished the public to be given that idea by their watching the movie &quot;Revolt In the Stars&quot; and then Xenu who&#039;s story is only half told in RTS, the viewers would possibly be lured into doing Scientology to pay to learn the real secret story of Xenu on OT 3, and &quot;body-thetans&quot;---since &quot;body-thetans&quot; and their &quot;case&quot; travail they cause is NOT told at all in RTS.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216207">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>One more answer, if you painfully read the Introduction to &#8220;Battlefield Earth&#8221; and if you read the &#8220;Rocky Mountain News&#8221; article  when BE came out, the fake Hubbard interview which possibly even Vaughn Young did most of the writing for that article/interview, Hubbard touches on why he chose &#8220;hard&#8221; science fiction over fantasy, a PR answer by Hubbard is how I saw that.   I just didn&#8217;t know what else were his motives, in fact when BE came out, I didn&#8217;t even know he&#8217;d already written and didn&#8217;t push into production &#8220;Revolt Int The Stars&#8221; (nor did I even know that Xenu was a character in &#8220;Revolt In The Stars&#8221; and I didn&#8217;t know OT 3 story to even know that &#8220;Revolt In The Stars&#8221; could and would have been a great tying together of fiction to reality, a message which he possibly even wished the public to be given that idea by their watching the movie &#8220;Revolt In the Stars&#8221; and then Xenu who&#8217;s story is only half told in RTS, the viewers would possibly be lured into doing Scientology to pay to learn the real secret story of Xenu on OT 3, and &#8220;body-thetans&#8221;&#8212;since &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; and their &#8220;case&#8221; travail they cause is NOT told at all in RTS.)</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyx75to03		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216214</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216207&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

In hindsight I suspected he was trying to prove that our science fictionesque percolating ideas which normally we think are fiction, are really factual.

Example, the Xenu story is real.

Same example: his writing the movie screen play &quot;Revolt in the Stars&quot; prior to him discarding that full production plan to then write &quot;Battlefield Earth&quot; (and the ASI traffic strongly strongly push to turn BE into a movie, which John Travolta on his shoulders that was done to the results none too pretty), and then he wrote Mission Earth.   Other ASI traffic says to in turn review his earlier pulp/sci fi era books for in turn attempting movies out of each one.

If someone suffered reading his whole fiction corpus of works, in sequence, and saw all his private writings and plans for what to do in his final years with his whole legacy fiction &quot;properties&quot;, it kind of makes me today guess he almost made the crossover, had &quot;Revolt In The Stars&quot; come out even as a book, which it still could be converted into a book, someone like Kevin Anderson might even be paid to do that, who knows, in the future.   Miscavige would be the one to say yes or no to that.

Most likely everything in Scientology&#039;s major decision making will be off the table for any discussion until Miscavige is gone from the top decision making role over the movement.

Also, all the smart public Scientololgists seem forever rightly fearful of ever jumping into the Sea Org and trying to move up to the top councils to replace all the former WDC and Exec Strata and top persons who conceived of strategies in ASI for ASI, today.

Who wants to move to be Miscavige&#039;s top decision making replacement and take on the full mantle of all of Hubbard&#039;s final orders and the whole swarming movement&#039;s Hubbard policies?   Not anyone.  Another Hubbard subject problem.

Fiction in general, as books or films, remember in the &quot;tech&quot; (quackery) Hubbard writings, the &quot;Past Life Remedies&quot; includes enjoying fiction movies and such, to percolate people&#039;s minds, and even &quot;run&quot; (answer the Hubbard quack &quot;tech&quot; questioning) and come up with &quot;imaginary&quot; answers, which the person then wrongly in fact but rightly for the Hubbard movement, comes to conclude their &quot;fiction&quot; and imagination were in some senses &quot;real.&quot;.

As real as Xenu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216207">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>In hindsight I suspected he was trying to prove that our science fictionesque percolating ideas which normally we think are fiction, are really factual.</p>
<p>Example, the Xenu story is real.</p>
<p>Same example: his writing the movie screen play &#8220;Revolt in the Stars&#8221; prior to him discarding that full production plan to then write &#8220;Battlefield Earth&#8221; (and the ASI traffic strongly strongly push to turn BE into a movie, which John Travolta on his shoulders that was done to the results none too pretty), and then he wrote Mission Earth.   Other ASI traffic says to in turn review his earlier pulp/sci fi era books for in turn attempting movies out of each one.</p>
<p>If someone suffered reading his whole fiction corpus of works, in sequence, and saw all his private writings and plans for what to do in his final years with his whole legacy fiction &#8220;properties&#8221;, it kind of makes me today guess he almost made the crossover, had &#8220;Revolt In The Stars&#8221; come out even as a book, which it still could be converted into a book, someone like Kevin Anderson might even be paid to do that, who knows, in the future.   Miscavige would be the one to say yes or no to that.</p>
<p>Most likely everything in Scientology&#8217;s major decision making will be off the table for any discussion until Miscavige is gone from the top decision making role over the movement.</p>
<p>Also, all the smart public Scientololgists seem forever rightly fearful of ever jumping into the Sea Org and trying to move up to the top councils to replace all the former WDC and Exec Strata and top persons who conceived of strategies in ASI for ASI, today.</p>
<p>Who wants to move to be Miscavige&#8217;s top decision making replacement and take on the full mantle of all of Hubbard&#8217;s final orders and the whole swarming movement&#8217;s Hubbard policies?   Not anyone.  Another Hubbard subject problem.</p>
<p>Fiction in general, as books or films, remember in the &#8220;tech&#8221; (quackery) Hubbard writings, the &#8220;Past Life Remedies&#8221; includes enjoying fiction movies and such, to percolate people&#8217;s minds, and even &#8220;run&#8221; (answer the Hubbard quack &#8220;tech&#8221; questioning) and come up with &#8220;imaginary&#8221; answers, which the person then wrongly in fact but rightly for the Hubbard movement, comes to conclude their &#8220;fiction&#8221; and imagination were in some senses &#8220;real.&#8221;.</p>
<p>As real as Xenu.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216207</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 18:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216201&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyx75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Chuck, I wonder why he choose Sci-Fi theme for his last two works?  I haven&#039;t read more than a couple of his earlier works.  Ol&#039; Doc &#038; Typewriter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216201">chuckbeattyx75to03</a>.</p>
<p>Chuck, I wonder why he choose Sci-Fi theme for his last two works?  I haven&#8217;t read more than a couple of his earlier works.  Ol&#8217; Doc &amp; Typewriter.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyx75to03		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 18:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216187&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting, since Hubbard even thought of himself more on the fantasy side rather than hardcore sci fi side of the niche.  I wonder how Hubbard&#039;s fantasy holds up for creativity.

I was such a wishful dupe to Hubbard&#039;s Scientology, I sometimes wondered that exact thought when I was an ASI staffer.

It&#039;s inconceivable, how Hubbard made his &#039;serious career&#039; the Scientology cult movement. 

He might have garnered better full life recognition had he stuck to just his pre Dianetics/Scientology career accomplishments, that&#039;s so obvious.

But the Dianetics/Scientology messed up fake quack-therapy-past-lives-dead-alien-soul-exorcism Scientology nonsense movement was a big self created mess that ruins a limited look at Hubbard as merely a pretty  good fantasy and mild sci fi writer of the &quot;Golden Age.&quot;

Hubbard&#039;s life as Dianetics/Scientology movement creator and micromanager total boss during his life, was his own worst on display and a legacy he can&#039;t get out of being most thought of Founder/boss of that vs the good fantasy writer.  

He so obviously ought to have stuck with fantasy fiction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wtf-wotf/#comment-216187">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting, since Hubbard even thought of himself more on the fantasy side rather than hardcore sci fi side of the niche.  I wonder how Hubbard&#8217;s fantasy holds up for creativity.</p>
<p>I was such a wishful dupe to Hubbard&#8217;s Scientology, I sometimes wondered that exact thought when I was an ASI staffer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s inconceivable, how Hubbard made his &#8216;serious career&#8217; the Scientology cult movement. </p>
<p>He might have garnered better full life recognition had he stuck to just his pre Dianetics/Scientology career accomplishments, that&#8217;s so obvious.</p>
<p>But the Dianetics/Scientology messed up fake quack-therapy-past-lives-dead-alien-soul-exorcism Scientology nonsense movement was a big self created mess that ruins a limited look at Hubbard as merely a pretty  good fantasy and mild sci fi writer of the &#8220;Golden Age.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hubbard&#8217;s life as Dianetics/Scientology movement creator and micromanager total boss during his life, was his own worst on display and a legacy he can&#8217;t get out of being most thought of Founder/boss of that vs the good fantasy writer.  </p>
<p>He so obviously ought to have stuck with fantasy fiction.</p>
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