“Pathetic. It’s disgusting.”

That’s so true Espiritu. The hardest thing for me to come to terms with, in all the stories I’ve read on line, is the gross lack of delivery of high quality auditing to it’s members. Adding to this tragedy, the ever increasing prices, putting it further and further out of reach for normal people, just running a can’t have. The aggressive focus on sec checking of staff, making their only “auditing” experience gross out tech and pure torture, was another layer of can’t have, substituting this crap, for the bridge that they deserved. It’s such a shame that so many, who came in for help never got it.

Right Valerie. It’s a continuation of reverse Scn, to demand mindless compliance, but then quote in improper context. Yet another form of lying.

And that’s just you Shelley. Multiply it by all the others who have seen similar and it’s a very large number. I know of around 8 people that are happily auditing on OT VII independently. They are doing it because they want to, with no stress and for little money.

Is the Sunja you are talking about Sunja Ackerman?

I was in my old Org a while back and overheard a conversation between an auditor and (probably) a Qual or HCO terminal discussing a PC. From what I could hear it seemed that one was trying to convince the other that the PC should not be being audited – the tone was actually quite nasty. Probably the PC was not donating enough or pointing out that it was off-policy etc. Would never happened in earlier years – the Org was there for the PC, not to satisfy some cruel staff member’s dramatizing of cruel purposes and attitude which he had obviously learned from being in such an environment for years. The irony now is that if this staff member succeeded in denying the PC further auditing it has probably done him or her a favor, in that type of environment. I can also just imagine the constant badgering of the PC in session for withholds that don’t exist and the rest of the Executive C/Sing that is going on.

that is a sad thought, what will happen about older sea org members, but it has been happening all along.not 5,000 at one time.im not sure what will happen in the next 10 years.

So sorry , wrong person, I know nothing about sunja.

Well stated, both Espiritu and IYawnalot, the phrase “socially minded group” I found particularly pertinent. It, the Church that is, became an aggressive, horrendous out-tech off-policy farce. Methinks someone is dramatizing something up the lines and the rest remaining in are PTS to it. Ah! Well! The suppression cannot last forever.

If Sunja has passed away, why is she on the “Upcoming Arrivals to get onto New OT VII” list?

I know, stupid question.