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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509423</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 07:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Miscavige knows that it doesn&#039;t matter what he promises, the sheeple will forget.&quot;

I always forgot, because these events would just go on and on. While there I would be counting the minutes until I could leave and at the same time worrying about if I could exit without getting  hit up for too much money. Consequently anything he said pretty much went in one ear and out the other.   I&#039;d be sitting there or doing the standing O thing, clapping with the correct show of enthusiasm expected of all of us. Was I actually listening or caring?  No, I was almost always on automatic at events.   If we hadn&#039;t been required to periodically stand and clap  I would likely have dozed off.  But sitting or standing his words, promises all of it for the most part were a  blur of noise and visuals  which emptied immediately out of my head as soon as it was over.  I always had a hard time when some Sea Org member would button hole me with a survey of questions about the event I had just seen.  What part of the event had I liked best?  What decisions did I make after seeing this event?  My stomach would knot up as I gave them my lies.  Its knotting up now just recalling those times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Miscavige knows that it doesn&#8217;t matter what he promises, the sheeple will forget.&#8221;</p>
<p>I always forgot, because these events would just go on and on. While there I would be counting the minutes until I could leave and at the same time worrying about if I could exit without getting  hit up for too much money. Consequently anything he said pretty much went in one ear and out the other.   I&#8217;d be sitting there or doing the standing O thing, clapping with the correct show of enthusiasm expected of all of us. Was I actually listening or caring?  No, I was almost always on automatic at events.   If we hadn&#8217;t been required to periodically stand and clap  I would likely have dozed off.  But sitting or standing his words, promises all of it for the most part were a  blur of noise and visuals  which emptied immediately out of my head as soon as it was over.  I always had a hard time when some Sea Org member would button hole me with a survey of questions about the event I had just seen.  What part of the event had I liked best?  What decisions did I make after seeing this event?  My stomach would knot up as I gave them my lies.  Its knotting up now just recalling those times.</p>
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		By: Xenu Cruise		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 03:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509395&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the clarifications. Need a few more: if the one on Guadalupe/the Drag has been around since the 80s, why would they have to wait? My assumption is they need photos, hype, and a can of turd polish. 

The one on Hancock looks about the size of an ice cream shop, but maybe they quietly took over adjoining units. I always see college age women standing outside looking bored in 100 degree heat. I can&#039;t imagine the cult sprung for AC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509395">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarifications. Need a few more: if the one on Guadalupe/the Drag has been around since the 80s, why would they have to wait? My assumption is they need photos, hype, and a can of turd polish. </p>
<p>The one on Hancock looks about the size of an ice cream shop, but maybe they quietly took over adjoining units. I always see college age women standing outside looking bored in 100 degree heat. I can&#8217;t imagine the cult sprung for AC.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2023 01:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509356&quot;&gt;Xenu Cruise&lt;/a&gt;.

I figure even Austin&#039;s strip mall location just 4 miles from their prime downtown building, has got to be relatively expensive in a hot market.  The cheapest listing nearby is $12.00/SF/YR, and if they have the 10,000 SF that seems to be a minimum for an org then it could be running them over $100k per year.

And I believe I saw that construction on their Guadalupe St. location was finished by around 2 years ago.  The signage is always covered over with tarps until the building actually actually has an opening ceremony and the org is then allowed to use it (there and in Chicago they are left waiting for formalities even though it makes no sense), and it may just still have the first floor boarded up from the time of the BLM protests as many orgs did.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UTAustin/comments/pdoz0f/did_the_church_of_scientology_on_the_drag_go_out/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509356">Xenu Cruise</a>.</p>
<p>I figure even Austin&#8217;s strip mall location just 4 miles from their prime downtown building, has got to be relatively expensive in a hot market.  The cheapest listing nearby is $12.00/SF/YR, and if they have the 10,000 SF that seems to be a minimum for an org then it could be running them over $100k per year.</p>
<p>And I believe I saw that construction on their Guadalupe St. location was finished by around 2 years ago.  The signage is always covered over with tarps until the building actually actually has an opening ceremony and the org is then allowed to use it (there and in Chicago they are left waiting for formalities even though it makes no sense), and it may just still have the first floor boarded up from the time of the BLM protests as many orgs did.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/UTAustin/comments/pdoz0f/did_the_church_of_scientology_on_the_drag_go_out/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.reddit.com/r/UTAustin/comments/pdoz0f/did_the_church_of_scientology_on_the_drag_go_out/</a></p>
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		By: Truth		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509360</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2023 18:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509268&quot;&gt;Fredyr&lt;/a&gt;.

well the person who created that stat was a sick joke, Lron Hubtard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509268">Fredyr</a>.</p>
<p>well the person who created that stat was a sick joke, Lron Hubtard.</p>
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		By: Xenu Cruise		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2023 16:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509264&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Austin is in a run down strip mall off of Hancock. The sign is a vinyl, sun-bleached tarp. They don&#039;t even get foot traffic because it&#039;s not near anything but a cemetery. 

They added a floor to the big empty expensive building on Guadalupe by UT, and it&#039;s been under tarps and scaffolds for at least 2 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509264">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Austin is in a run down strip mall off of Hancock. The sign is a vinyl, sun-bleached tarp. They don&#8217;t even get foot traffic because it&#8217;s not near anything but a cemetery. </p>
<p>They added a floor to the big empty expensive building on Guadalupe by UT, and it&#8217;s been under tarps and scaffolds for at least 2 years.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2023 13:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509331&quot;&gt;Nacham Yuzkovsky&lt;/a&gt;.

Unfortunately, dealing with scientology is not like dealing with a normal organization where consequences, cost/benefit analyses or good sense prevail. The mere thought of &quot;negotiating&quot; with SP&#039;s is anathema to scientology. For them, that would be total capitulation. This is not in the realm of possibility, as sensible as it may sound.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509331">Nacham Yuzkovsky</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, dealing with scientology is not like dealing with a normal organization where consequences, cost/benefit analyses or good sense prevail. The mere thought of &#8220;negotiating&#8221; with SP&#8217;s is anathema to scientology. For them, that would be total capitulation. This is not in the realm of possibility, as sensible as it may sound.</p>
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		By: Nacham Yuzkovsky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Mike,

Several of the most recent editions of your blog have touched on the whereabouts of the captain and the possible impending downfall of this cult.

I got to thinking there may be an extraordinary opportunity at hand. I&#039;d like to briefly suggest a possible outcome to you and see if people just might have any interest in this proposal.

The captain may be many things. But he is not particularly dim-witted. It seems pretty clear to me that he knows he is in big trouble here and he knows the end may be in sight one way or another.

Perhaps Mike Rinder could be interested in suggesting one possible compromise to put an end to this cult.

I haven&#039;t really thought this out very well. It would obviously take a lot more thought and planning to come up with some kind of compromise that might be acceptable to both sides.

But the key question is whether Mike Rinder (together with some trusted friends and members or The Aftermath Foundation) might be interested in working out some kind of compromise that would put an end to this cult while restoring many of the past harms.

Of course, the primary issue might well be the restoration of families that have suffered disconnection. An equally important issue might well be the recovery of much of the money that people have lost or that is still held in accounts somewhere.


Bottom Line?


It seems to me there is a real good chance this cult will come crashing down sometime soon and when it does, there will be a whole lot of pain and suffering all the way around. 


But ....


If Mike Rinder (and some friends) were to lead a negotiated resolution of the end of this cult together with the disbursement of all the money that can be recovered (mostly by selling off real estate), is there any chance that the two sides could come to some kind of agreement that would avoid the captain spending the rest of his life in a penitentiary but would also enable the resolution of families that have been destroyed by disconnection and enable those families to come back together?


Obviously this will be an extremely painful discussion and will be incredibly difficult to hammer out some kind of workable agreement. But if both sides are willing to consider the consequences of a big crash landing versus a negotiated mediation, might it ever be possible for the two sides to come together and enable family members to get their loved ones back again?


I know this seems like an almost impossible possibility. But it seems to me that it will be extremely painful no matter how the cult ends. However, a great deal of pain and suffering could be avoided if you all appointed a mediator and worked out some kind of agreement to that many people could recover family members as well as property and money that would otherwise be certain to be lost.

Is there any possible way this kind of mediation could ever happen?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike,</p>
<p>Several of the most recent editions of your blog have touched on the whereabouts of the captain and the possible impending downfall of this cult.</p>
<p>I got to thinking there may be an extraordinary opportunity at hand. I&#8217;d like to briefly suggest a possible outcome to you and see if people just might have any interest in this proposal.</p>
<p>The captain may be many things. But he is not particularly dim-witted. It seems pretty clear to me that he knows he is in big trouble here and he knows the end may be in sight one way or another.</p>
<p>Perhaps Mike Rinder could be interested in suggesting one possible compromise to put an end to this cult.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t really thought this out very well. It would obviously take a lot more thought and planning to come up with some kind of compromise that might be acceptable to both sides.</p>
<p>But the key question is whether Mike Rinder (together with some trusted friends and members or The Aftermath Foundation) might be interested in working out some kind of compromise that would put an end to this cult while restoring many of the past harms.</p>
<p>Of course, the primary issue might well be the restoration of families that have suffered disconnection. An equally important issue might well be the recovery of much of the money that people have lost or that is still held in accounts somewhere.</p>
<p>Bottom Line?</p>
<p>It seems to me there is a real good chance this cult will come crashing down sometime soon and when it does, there will be a whole lot of pain and suffering all the way around. </p>
<p>But &#8230;.</p>
<p>If Mike Rinder (and some friends) were to lead a negotiated resolution of the end of this cult together with the disbursement of all the money that can be recovered (mostly by selling off real estate), is there any chance that the two sides could come to some kind of agreement that would avoid the captain spending the rest of his life in a penitentiary but would also enable the resolution of families that have been destroyed by disconnection and enable those families to come back together?</p>
<p>Obviously this will be an extremely painful discussion and will be incredibly difficult to hammer out some kind of workable agreement. But if both sides are willing to consider the consequences of a big crash landing versus a negotiated mediation, might it ever be possible for the two sides to come together and enable family members to get their loved ones back again?</p>
<p>I know this seems like an almost impossible possibility. But it seems to me that it will be extremely painful no matter how the cult ends. However, a great deal of pain and suffering could be avoided if you all appointed a mediator and worked out some kind of agreement to that many people could recover family members as well as property and money that would otherwise be certain to be lost.</p>
<p>Is there any possible way this kind of mediation could ever happen?</p>
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		By: Phillip		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/4-new-ideal-orgs/#comment-509309</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2023 05:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Awwwww-right.  Opening up a new Ideal Org.

Just imagine all the new up-stats that will soon be forthcoming.
- Yards of carpet will skyrocket
- Floorspace per sheep will be impressive
- Bigger orgs mean they can hold lots more chairs
- Needing more people to keep the floors clear of dust, dirt and debris can be couched as an uptick in clearing the planet
- More windows means it can be said, more people are looking into $ci.
- Late fees on bigger utility bills - &quot;Interest has never been higher&quot;

The spin will be gloriously ridiculous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awwwww-right.  Opening up a new Ideal Org.</p>
<p>Just imagine all the new up-stats that will soon be forthcoming.<br />
&#8211; Yards of carpet will skyrocket<br />
&#8211; Floorspace per sheep will be impressive<br />
&#8211; Bigger orgs mean they can hold lots more chairs<br />
&#8211; Needing more people to keep the floors clear of dust, dirt and debris can be couched as an uptick in clearing the planet<br />
&#8211; More windows means it can be said, more people are looking into $ci.<br />
&#8211; Late fees on bigger utility bills &#8211; &#8220;Interest has never been higher&#8221;</p>
<p>The spin will be gloriously ridiculous.</p>
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		By: ExScnStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2023 00:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[* with the full exec structure all trained on the FEBC

Wasn&#039;t there information that each org was supposed to send some number like 11 to Flag?  That would be the &#039;full exec structure&#039; apparently, but what happens when they arrive back at orgs with staffing shortages?  Lots of managers, who don&#039;t have time to manage because they&#039;re scrambling to cover all the posts (jobs) that don&#039;t have someone assigned.

Auditors and Case Supervisors and Academy Supervisors are not part of the exec structure, so they either have to be there already or (like some of Chicago&#039;s bragging &quot;look who joined&quot; flyers say) be sent off for training that might takes months, or more than a year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* with the full exec structure all trained on the FEBC</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t there information that each org was supposed to send some number like 11 to Flag?  That would be the &#8216;full exec structure&#8217; apparently, but what happens when they arrive back at orgs with staffing shortages?  Lots of managers, who don&#8217;t have time to manage because they&#8217;re scrambling to cover all the posts (jobs) that don&#8217;t have someone assigned.</p>
<p>Auditors and Case Supervisors and Academy Supervisors are not part of the exec structure, so they either have to be there already or (like some of Chicago&#8217;s bragging &#8220;look who joined&#8221; flyers say) be sent off for training that might takes months, or more than a year.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I keep hoping that &quot;Another Super Bowl ad!&quot; means we get to see a giant toilet bowl with Dinky Malodorous swirling around and around before diasppearing down past the u-bend into a septic tank.

I hear the new status is the Rhodium Ripoff Rortius with Offshore Banking.

&quot;(COB’s postulates need a little polishing)&quot; How can you polish turds that make apple seeds look like coconuts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hoping that &#8220;Another Super Bowl ad!&#8221; means we get to see a giant toilet bowl with Dinky Malodorous swirling around and around before diasppearing down past the u-bend into a septic tank.</p>
<p>I hear the new status is the Rhodium Ripoff Rortius with Offshore Banking.</p>
<p>&#8220;(COB’s postulates need a little polishing)&#8221; How can you polish turds that make apple seeds look like coconuts?</p>
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