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		By: Im a little cluster		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Mike. Excuse my bad English. I am a former member of the Sea Organization until last year (I left in 2017). I was in CLO LATAM. 

CAN YOU PLEASE RESPOND TO THE EMAIL I SENT TO YOU AT THE ADDRESS YOU USED TO MAKE THIS POSTING]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike. Excuse my bad English. I am a former member of the Sea Organization until last year (I left in 2017). I was in CLO LATAM. </p>
<p>CAN YOU PLEASE RESPOND TO THE EMAIL I SENT TO YOU AT THE ADDRESS YOU USED TO MAKE THIS POSTING</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150804</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150385&quot;&gt;Newcomer&lt;/a&gt;.

COB (or just about anyone really) would have no chance keeping the Freewinds afloat by himself. 
     When I left the Ship in 2002 I imagine I knew more about the Engine Room than anyone aboard having repaired virtually every machine down there in the 16 years I was aboard but even I could not run it and keep up with repairs and maintenance by myself for long. Add to that operating the ship..
It would be hopeless. DM would never even get the Main Engines started let alone sail anywhere. I doubt the Captain Freewinds could even start the engines. In the 16 years I was there I never saw him do it or even heard of him trying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150385">Newcomer</a>.</p>
<p>COB (or just about anyone really) would have no chance keeping the Freewinds afloat by himself.<br />
     When I left the Ship in 2002 I imagine I knew more about the Engine Room than anyone aboard having repaired virtually every machine down there in the 16 years I was aboard but even I could not run it and keep up with repairs and maintenance by myself for long. Add to that operating the ship..<br />
It would be hopeless. DM would never even get the Main Engines started let alone sail anywhere. I doubt the Captain Freewinds could even start the engines. In the 16 years I was there I never saw him do it or even heard of him trying.</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150688&quot;&gt;Mike Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes Mike, I am sure that you are correct. I would possibly be willing to confront DM  but since I am no longer in the SO  this would have no effect. Probably the main reason I would be willing to confront him is that I have nothing left to lose from it. I would not wish that on anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150688">Mike Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Yes Mike, I am sure that you are correct. I would possibly be willing to confront DM  but since I am no longer in the SO  this would have no effect. Probably the main reason I would be willing to confront him is that I have nothing left to lose from it. I would not wish that on anyone.</p>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150673&quot;&gt;Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)&lt;/a&gt;.

Bill, there is no one in the CoS who is willing to confront DM.  The problem is that the tek produces sheep and a few psychos who rise to the top.  If it produced people superior to homo sap (as L Con said) they would have stopped DM early on.]]></description>
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<p>Bill, there is no one in the CoS who is willing to confront DM.  The problem is that the tek produces sheep and a few psychos who rise to the top.  If it produced people superior to homo sap (as L Con said) they would have stopped DM early on.</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 05:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150386&quot;&gt;Newcomer&lt;/a&gt;.

There is an LRH reference, I don&#039;t remember which one where he says sometimes you have to put a head on a pike in order to get ethics in. I think that that is what it will take to get ethics in on the Church. If one could put let&#039;s say, DM&#039;&#039;s head on a pike the lesser offenders would cease offending to a large degree.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150386">Newcomer</a>.</p>
<p>There is an LRH reference, I don&#8217;t remember which one where he says sometimes you have to put a head on a pike in order to get ethics in. I think that that is what it will take to get ethics in on the Church. If one could put let&#8217;s say, DM&#8221;s head on a pike the lesser offenders would cease offending to a large degree.</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150476</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 06:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150473&quot;&gt;Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)&lt;/a&gt;.

In March 2002 the Captain Freewinds John Michael Napier, in his office screamed at the top of his lungs directed at my wife and I &#039; I DON&#039;T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT FAMILY.&quot; He was blaming my wife for my CSW to go to my parents 50th  wedding anniversary celebration. He is DM&#039;s diving buddy and he was not always like.this. He is obviously the person who ordered my wife held against her will while they waited for me to die. Had he held my wife against her will for only a few more weeks or a month I would certainly have been dead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150473">Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)</a>.</p>
<p>In March 2002 the Captain Freewinds John Michael Napier, in his office screamed at the top of his lungs directed at my wife and I &#8216; I DON&#8217;T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT FAMILY.&#8221; He was blaming my wife for my CSW to go to my parents 50th  wedding anniversary celebration. He is DM&#8217;s diving buddy and he was not always like.this. He is obviously the person who ordered my wife held against her will while they waited for me to die. Had he held my wife against her will for only a few more weeks or a month I would certainly have been dead.</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 06:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150469&quot;&gt;Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly. Therefore any person advising or ordering another to get an abortion should be RPFed or dismissed from staff. Should an abortion actually occur from the order the ordered should be charged with murder.]]></description>
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<p>Exactly. Therefore any person advising or ordering another to get an abortion should be RPFed or dismissed from staff. Should an abortion actually occur from the order the ordered should be charged with murder.</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150471</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 05:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150469&quot;&gt;Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)&lt;/a&gt;.

(Small last addition)
I was awarded the campaign ribbon of AWARD OF EXTREME. COMPETENCE by COB for helping save another cruise ship which was on fire and sinking in Freeport harbor. In the issue DM said that this award is only given for things such as saving lives. As Mr Rinder is saving far more lives by his actions than I ever did he is welcome to my award. I would not expect him to ever wear it . I don&#039;t know what is worse, the fact that it was awarded by DM or that it was worn by a person with AIDS. (there can be no live virus on it since HIV is killed when it comes into contact with air.]]></description>
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<p>(Small last addition)<br />
I was awarded the campaign ribbon of AWARD OF EXTREME. COMPETENCE by COB for helping save another cruise ship which was on fire and sinking in Freeport harbor. In the issue DM said that this award is only given for things such as saving lives. As Mr Rinder is saving far more lives by his actions than I ever did he is welcome to my award. I would not expect him to ever wear it . I don&#8217;t know what is worse, the fact that it was awarded by DM or that it was worn by a person with AIDS. (there can be no live virus on it since HIV is killed when it comes into contact with air.</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150470</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 05:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150439&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Cindy, So you are saying that the organization is cheap? Well, I can attest that they would have paid for my coffin. Of course you don&#039;t need much of a coffin when it is just going in to the oven anyway and they could add it to my freeloader bill when I returned to duty. But, you may be right. They would have had only to pay for a coffin once; it is not a recurring expense. And since it could be a photo opp it would probably go in FP as promotion. And you know what LRH says about promotion, &quot;outflow is holier and more renumerative than inflow&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150439">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Cindy, So you are saying that the organization is cheap? Well, I can attest that they would have paid for my coffin. Of course you don&#8217;t need much of a coffin when it is just going in to the oven anyway and they could add it to my freeloader bill when I returned to duty. But, you may be right. They would have had only to pay for a coffin once; it is not a recurring expense. And since it could be a photo opp it would probably go in FP as promotion. And you know what LRH says about promotion, &#8220;outflow is holier and more renumerative than inflow&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Dead men tell no tales (Bill Straass)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 04:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150378&quot;&gt;rogerHornaday&lt;/a&gt;.

To be perfectly honest, when I first heard that DM was beating up people I found it a little hard to believe but I also thought  &quot;Yeah? So what?  Being physically assaulted did not seem like that big a deal to me compared with the other things I had to deal with in the SO, like my wife being held prisoner while they waited for me to die, being ordered by RTC to  commit injustices, not being allowed.to see my family for 7 years, penalizing up stats and rewarding downstats, etc.  I considered myself a dead man long before I got AIDS from a blood transfusion. I would have volunteered to be beaten up myself if they would have just let me see my family or just let me see my wife one last time before I died. Then after she finally got off the ship she told me that she would not have been allowed off to go to my funeral. Some other staff member would have been sent to sign the cremation papers etc. She had been ordered to end cycle on me when I was still alive. She was advised not to take me to a doctor but to put me in a hospice, where all drugged up, I would have died quietly with no fuss or any annoying deathbed statements. Fortunately, she did not do this. She was treated like an out ethics criminal because she wanted to see her dying husband.  
     So why were all these things allowed to happen?  Brutally, they were allowed to happen because I allowed them to happen.
     I stopped my father from calling the FBI when he speculated that my wife was being held against her will. I should have called them myself. I should have gone to the media. CULT WON&#039;T ALLOW WIFE TO VISIT DYING HUSBAND &quot; would have made a good headline. There may have been some TA. 
So Mr Rinder is doing a great public service by publishing these abuses. Even though it is highly unlikely that any SO members will ever read them other persons not as brainwashed as myself will read them and will act as soon as there is enough outrage. Probably would save a lot of lives. Possibly the &quot;Church&quot; could even be reformed. It will be too late for many, certainly those already dead. Certainly there are many in the organization who believe that I would have been better off dead than to be allowed to live to write these words But, if enough people speak out, at least further crimes will be averted.

P.S. After I left the ship my dress white uniform was sent to me with my officer bars and campaign ribbons. I was puzzled by this. This was the property of the organization and certainly they would not want me wearing those items if I were no longer in the SO. I later realized that it may have made a good photo opportunities or compliance report for the person sent to sign the cremation papers. A shot of myself in my dress whites officer bars and campaign ribbons lying in my coffin would have looked sharp, depending what my face looked like. They had withheld from the Freewinds crew the fact that I had AIDS and so they could have said that I died in the line of duty. That is nowhere near as farfetched as what they said about LRH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/abortion-and-scientology/#comment-150378">rogerHornaday</a>.</p>
<p>To be perfectly honest, when I first heard that DM was beating up people I found it a little hard to believe but I also thought  &#8220;Yeah? So what?  Being physically assaulted did not seem like that big a deal to me compared with the other things I had to deal with in the SO, like my wife being held prisoner while they waited for me to die, being ordered by RTC to  commit injustices, not being allowed.to see my family for 7 years, penalizing up stats and rewarding downstats, etc.  I considered myself a dead man long before I got AIDS from a blood transfusion. I would have volunteered to be beaten up myself if they would have just let me see my family or just let me see my wife one last time before I died. Then after she finally got off the ship she told me that she would not have been allowed off to go to my funeral. Some other staff member would have been sent to sign the cremation papers etc. She had been ordered to end cycle on me when I was still alive. She was advised not to take me to a doctor but to put me in a hospice, where all drugged up, I would have died quietly with no fuss or any annoying deathbed statements. Fortunately, she did not do this. She was treated like an out ethics criminal because she wanted to see her dying husband.<br />
     So why were all these things allowed to happen?  Brutally, they were allowed to happen because I allowed them to happen.<br />
     I stopped my father from calling the FBI when he speculated that my wife was being held against her will. I should have called them myself. I should have gone to the media. CULT WON&#8217;T ALLOW WIFE TO VISIT DYING HUSBAND &#8221; would have made a good headline. There may have been some TA.<br />
So Mr Rinder is doing a great public service by publishing these abuses. Even though it is highly unlikely that any SO members will ever read them other persons not as brainwashed as myself will read them and will act as soon as there is enough outrage. Probably would save a lot of lives. Possibly the &#8220;Church&#8221; could even be reformed. It will be too late for many, certainly those already dead. Certainly there are many in the organization who believe that I would have been better off dead than to be allowed to live to write these words But, if enough people speak out, at least further crimes will be averted.</p>
<p>P.S. After I left the ship my dress white uniform was sent to me with my officer bars and campaign ribbons. I was puzzled by this. This was the property of the organization and certainly they would not want me wearing those items if I were no longer in the SO. I later realized that it may have made a good photo opportunities or compliance report for the person sent to sign the cremation papers. A shot of myself in my dress whites officer bars and campaign ribbons lying in my coffin would have looked sharp, depending what my face looked like. They had withheld from the Freewinds crew the fact that I had AIDS and so they could have said that I died in the line of duty. That is nowhere near as farfetched as what they said about LRH.</p>
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