Comments on: Accountable

By: Ann Davis

Ann Davis — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 22:31:57 +0000

In reply to Peabody. Yes! I've been unable to respond! I admit I don't like that word but I was wrong. I was wrong and I accept accountability.

By: georgemwhite

georgemwhite — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:48:50 +0000

No, Brian. It is a deduction from Lucifer. Lucifer ponders his future and his role as Lucifer in Paradise Lost in two distinct places. The state that he reaches is best described as “serenity of beingness” as described by Hubbard. He still retains his multiple identities but he is looking with equanimity at them. I have taken the liberty to make the conclusion based only on my opinion. The point that I was making was related to the fact that the tone 40 in Scientology is actually a low point on the scale of realms. Lucifer goes into extreme action which is high on Hubbard’s scale when he starts the battle in Heaven. After his loss, he rests and becomes thoughtful. He actually considers returning to heaven with God but rejects it. Lucifer only brings enough “light” to mankind to start enough reason to develop a quest for release. According to Milton, he does not have the ability to become powerful or OT. Milton describes OT as “Glory” and “Joy”. Hubbard’s tone scale is more like a tradesman. The ultimate point of Paradise Lost is that you cannot be OT while you lack compassion. Hubbard rejected compassion so he is Lucifer. But Hubbard’s path “dead ends” as is obvious. This, in my opinion, is why Scientologists sit with no real OT powers and just imagine them in a subjective state. There is a total disconnect between a real spiritual level and any kind of real knowledge. Hubbard copied the term “knowingness” from Blavatsky. What it really means is the central egotistic realm as a substitute for real knowledge. So in OT VIII Hubbard needs to invent “amnesia” on the whole track to suggest that he is revealing truth. But you cannot reveal truth by a process of elimination as the “Jains” discovered in India in ancient times. So Hubbard was a sort of modern day Jain.

By: Brian

Brian — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 08:55:53 +0000

In reply to Brian.

I’m sorry you have had some negative experiences with word clearing for 50 years with other people.

You agree with Hubbard’s placement of accountable on the tonescale. I do not.

I don’t even see accountable as an emotion. All I can say is: keying you in to 50 years of bad experiences was not my intention.

I believe anyone who agrees with Hubbard’s placement doesn’t know the real meaning. Don’t take it personally.

It’s ok for us to differ. My argument is in the essay. I don’t need to repeat it.

By: Mike Rinder

Mike Rinder — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 04:48:17 +0000

In reply to Peabody. So you and everyone else who has had comments trashed knows, the interminable debate about misunderstood words and definitions and whatever is a distraction and has gone on too long. I just started trashing anything that had to do with it. I don’t have the time or patience to keep reading the endless debate that changes nobody’s mind one way or the other. Foolproof of course accuses me of censoring only him/her. A number of people have suffered the same fate.

By: Aquamarine

Aquamarine — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 03:42:34 +0000

In reply to Aquamarine. Right back at you with that, Peabody :)

By: Aquamarine

Aquamarine — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 03:39:12 +0000

In reply to Aquamarine.

Richard! We’re actually in total agreement as re the Tone Scale. I did not say, nor did I intend to imply, that the Tone Scale had to be MEMORIZED. Certainly that would be a waste of time. Spotting tones is one thing, memorizing the tone scale – fuggedaboutit 🙂

By: Peabody

Peabody — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 03:03:49 +0000

In reply to Brian. Brian, I've been trying but nothing gets uploaded. Murphy will probably get this one up no doubt.

By: J. Luis Gil-O

J. Luis Gil-O — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 02:38:32 +0000

In reply to Richard. All too many details points at L. Ron Hubbard as a CIA agent ( and so is DM ). I was interested to know about Leserve and his wife, as I know them both from the FOLO EU and CLO EU. Thank you for having put this info here on your blog. Before he went to int to becone ED INT, and as I was the continental personnel dir, I had the assignment to investigate him and verify all possible data in his personnel and ethics folders, summarize data and send it to Ron. He was clean and qualified for the post.

By: Peabody

Peabody — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 02:19:01 +0000

In reply to Mike Rinder.

Mike,
I have been trying to reply to Brian’s question but it doesn’t get uploaded. The form has been asking me for my name and email address every time lately and tells me that that information is required. I fill it in and some of my comments are uploaded but not all. I don’t know if the problem is at my end or somewhere else.

By: Balletlady

Balletlady — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 00:23:37 +0000

In reply to Ann Davis. Ah bin en 9th grade 3 tymes an I ain't learnt nuttin'