If one assumes there is an effort to help on both sides, there is still covert force in use. As WWAW pointed out, “need of change” is being bypassed.

He’s a “good” disseminator though, and his handlings are extensive, he does the first step of the Dissem Drill, the “handling” step, very thoroughly, but he of course will fail but he keeps giving a huge amount of effort to the “handling” step, which probably is why he’s an effective disseminator.

He’s an example of a very hard core Scientologist that will take years, if ever, to get out of the Scientology system.

Hubbard’s writings which give so much for the Scientologists to cling to, are on display by this powerful Scientology disseminator. He’s batted away the critics’ and the critics’ arguments using Hubbard’s methods, effectively, in that his trust of his subject and their group behavior is not questioned in the least.

I like these interchanges, it provides evidence of hard core Scientologist disseminators, shows how deeply they are stuck in the Hubbard repertoire of dissemination tactics and defenses.

Great historical evidence. Thanks for posting this.

Hubbard’s very slippery methodical information batting back system gives effective disseminators enough “tools” to dodge reality.

There is another difference:

One person is trying to help backed by facts – the other is trying to help backed by falsehoods.

If you apply those principles in life you are at best considered “strange”. But you preserve your dignity and honour. This is more important than you immediate life or statistics or money.
If the staff of that communication one day reads on the internet his e-mails he would be ashamed of himself. Applying those basics on post he would not.
And he would be kicked off post very soon.

planted*

Indeed, no-one deserves to have that on their conscience. But the parents do not do it. The criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology does it. One of the coercion techniques used by the Co$ is to make the victim feel guilty. But that is really far from the whole truth.

In the bad old days, “deprogramming” was used, but that had to change. Mr Ross promotes re-establishing the critical thinking skills of the cult victim by getting them to agree to sit down in a circle of friends and family, isolating them from the coercive environment and then start discussing what is a cult in general and how the specific situation of the victim is like a cult. Not easy, but he claims a large number of successes.