Worthy defence indeed, Ronnie! Show me another human being, now or past, that was able to uncover so much about the Mind, (especially the workings of the reactive mind) and then not only formulate and prove actual AXIOMS which regulate the workings of the Mind AND life, but to go on to develop the methods, (technology & processes) to not only resolve the abberation (irrationality) resulting therefrom, but to further demonstrate how relatively easy and straightforward it was to teach (train) others to do the same, for an exponential benefit and relief of anyone whomsoever wishes to reach for it. IMHO, there has been no greater friend to mankind as a whole, especially since so many, since time immemorial, have had the common realization that; — ” It’s ALL in the MIND.” — Now who else can you think of, that is/ was prepared to give you the tools / means, to give / attain such a gift of immeasurable freedom, self control and broad understanding of life? And all conceived, organized and developed in ONE lifetime, by ONE individual man? — Anyone?

Dollar Morgue, thanks for a sharing a most empathetic view with us. Though broadly agreeing with your sentiments, perhaps the one area we may differ, is whether this IS “a game,” or not? Considering the
vast permutation of outcomes possible, when we enter the cycle of life, then much of which happens to / around us, hinges upon either “fate”, other-determinism, self-determinism, or pan determinism. If we buy into the UNwillingness to control (stop) Miscavige for example, then there is certainly no “game” at hand! (merely capitulation!) A “game,” – by definition, includes the possibility of either winning OR losing – and the realization of this fact, makes it possible to actually PLAY the game, win OR lose!

Being able to give it your “best shot,”in spite of every counter measure to come your way, is exactly what defines the “human spirit” – in every single one of us, when we decide to “stand up and be counted,” at the very least, if not an all out attempt to “beat” one’s opponent in a game, or contest, fair or otherwise.

In looking over the scientology scenario, in a new unit of time then, would you agree that it is a “game” after all?

If anyone has even one story to tell me about my sons, or one that you heard, or have any photos of any of them whether you ever had anything to do with Scn or not – please send me anything about them as I’d love to have any news from any time period that you have.

For any on you on the fence or unsure of what is true or not true about the facts of david miscavige’s perversions of the church, if you care only about the things that can be proven or that are tangible regarding what LRH said and expected vs what cob daviid miscavige has done to the church please go to this site and see for yourself: it’s not opinion, not name calling, not relying on anything but what is written vs what has been done so you CAN evaluate things in the privacy of your own home click on this link: http://www.friendsoflrh.org/COBvsLRH/ or copy/paste in your url and see for yourself.
Sincerely, Gayle
philadelphiagayle@yahoo.com or send Mike an email and ask him to forward your email to me please.

Mike, just reading through this thread, and many other similar previous items, and then the comments by Margaret, (with regard to the LRH reaction to David Mayo’s attempts at reform;)

I recall when David Mayo was sent on a world wide mission (1978) to set up the Introduction of the then brand new tech breakthrough NED (New Era Dianetics.) My wife Dorothy, was the very first to undergo the training, thus becoming Durban’s first NED auditor. Her enthusiasm
to this end was certainly, in part, as a result of her being genuinely impressed by the quiet and dedicated sincerity and demeanor of Mayo.

Yet , it seems that the Dead Agent’ing of this man, Mayo, has been complete, in that he has
apparently been shunned , & bought into silence and oblivion, to all intents and purposes.

Having watched some of his videos of his “Advanced Ability Center”, I was left with the conclusion that his (reform) movement, was an incredibly brave and honorable venture to
have set up, at that later stage, under the realization of duty to keep the flame burning for the delivery of tech and training.

The question here is, does David Mayo deserve more than a nod for his precocious stand?
Against the above mentioned account, your opinion, if briefly stated, would be appreciated.

Thanks, Calvin.

Oh my goodness Bruce,
What a joy it is to see this message. I have thought of you often and wondered how you were doing. I’ve thought of everyone there so often. It’s been very hard for me to look at the times in the org where I was doing what I loved so much and then have it all so suppressively ripped away. I had to leave. I was loosing myself and needed to be near my family. I’m sitting here right now with such a happy feeling. To hear from you is huge for me Bruce. Thank you so much. Love, your friend Gayle philadelphiagayle@yahoo.com

Oracle,
Wow. Beautiful post. Also, it was a such a surprise to hear Kenny Rankin. I heard him at the Great American Music Hall back in ’72 and this brought me right back to a pleasure moment. Thanks.

I think the real issue here is who is deemed a suppressive person. The labeling of SP is what allows the policy to be enforced and as Dan351 posts, there are many steps which should precede this label. Today, the SP declare is done fast flow! However, since the days of St.Hill, it has always been an automatic declare if one speaks publicly against Scientology, which is different than admin staff falling down the conditions, or an auditor who make Gross Auditing Errors. IMHO, the ethics and justice system of Scientology never worked because of inherent flaws and because Scientologist are no different than any other human group when group think becomes the norm.