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		By: vegan3		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-544875</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2023 16:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-544833&quot;&gt;R M Blake&lt;/a&gt;.

Speaking as an ex and as someone that has followed this CRAP for 50 years, every illegality was clearly documented over and OVER including hearings in 1982.  Yes 1982, in Clearwater, Florida.  If you think political AND LE corruption is not involved in this to the very core, you are DELUDED.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-544833">R M Blake</a>.</p>
<p>Speaking as an ex and as someone that has followed this CRAP for 50 years, every illegality was clearly documented over and OVER including hearings in 1982.  Yes 1982, in Clearwater, Florida.  If you think political AND LE corruption is not involved in this to the very core, you are DELUDED.</p>
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		By: R M Blake		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2023 21:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Elizabeth:   I understand your urgency &#038; passion to stop predators, in this case by a &quot;fake&quot; religion, from criminality. However, in trying to stop their crimes, law enforcement is not allowed to break the law either. Law enforcement cannot just hack into an organization or an individuals computer and/or servers, unless they have Search Warrants.

 We live in a country that has a Constitution &#038; Bill of Rights. We are not Communist China, Naz1 Germany, North Korea, etc., that can violate its citizens privacy without &quot;probable cause&quot; &#038; a signature from a judge.  So, as frustrating as it is that LE has to climb many legal mountains in order to access the digital info you mention above, if we make exceptions to access SCN&#039;s servers based on the suspicions we have that nefarious activities are occurring, we risk losing the protections we treasure as US citizens under the Constitution. It&#039;s a slippery &#038; dangerous slope if we allow invasions of privacy without going through the appropriate legal steps to obtain the info. Any evidence the government would glean illegally would be immediately thrown out in court.

As a retired LEO detective, I think inroads could be made to get an official investigation started; ideally with a federal jurisdiction agency. Beginning with a comprehensive report consisting of carefully collected evidence of human testimony, documents, photographs, video/audio recording acquisition; essentially handing an already well researched issue to the selected agency on a giant platter. Of course, all of the submitted information would have to be independently verified by LE, which could take a substantial amount of time. The first battle in winning this war will be finding the right jurisdiction &#038; agency, with meticulous &#038; principled investigators willing to spend the time &#038; resources to &quot;do it right&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth:   I understand your urgency &amp; passion to stop predators, in this case by a &#8220;fake&#8221; religion, from criminality. However, in trying to stop their crimes, law enforcement is not allowed to break the law either. Law enforcement cannot just hack into an organization or an individuals computer and/or servers, unless they have Search Warrants.</p>
<p> We live in a country that has a Constitution &amp; Bill of Rights. We are not Communist China, Naz1 Germany, North Korea, etc., that can violate its citizens privacy without &#8220;probable cause&#8221; &amp; a signature from a judge.  So, as frustrating as it is that LE has to climb many legal mountains in order to access the digital info you mention above, if we make exceptions to access SCN&#8217;s servers based on the suspicions we have that nefarious activities are occurring, we risk losing the protections we treasure as US citizens under the Constitution. It&#8217;s a slippery &amp; dangerous slope if we allow invasions of privacy without going through the appropriate legal steps to obtain the info. Any evidence the government would glean illegally would be immediately thrown out in court.</p>
<p>As a retired LEO detective, I think inroads could be made to get an official investigation started; ideally with a federal jurisdiction agency. Beginning with a comprehensive report consisting of carefully collected evidence of human testimony, documents, photographs, video/audio recording acquisition; essentially handing an already well researched issue to the selected agency on a giant platter. Of course, all of the submitted information would have to be independently verified by LE, which could take a substantial amount of time. The first battle in winning this war will be finding the right jurisdiction &amp; agency, with meticulous &amp; principled investigators willing to spend the time &amp; resources to &#8220;do it right&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Yawn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542594&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, its tough alright isn&#039;t it? Compromising and even going against your own instincts if and when things go south is such a delicate balancing act with your emotions, desires and even grass roots level survival. It can impact your life radically with relationships. There sure can be the dark side compared to the good times. 
That&#039;s where Scientology&#039;s disconnection in particular is such an evil thing. Through no fault or personality flaw of your own, a loved one, even a spouse, friends, anyone who believes and follows the insane doctrine of Hubbard&#039;s and severs their life connection from you solely for their perceived benefit of the alleged,  but totally false, threat to their immortality. If the &#039;tech&#039; worked as advertised you wouldn&#039;t need disconnection, just communicate or withdraw to a amendable degree but not sever love ones from your life! Miscavige in particular, weaponized it even further but very much kept alive Hubbard&#039;s tool of disconnection for the reason of maintaining control by fear. Fair Gaming is the first cousin of disconnection imo. If there&#039;s a living example of one soulless fool above all other soulless fools, it&#039;s Miscavige. (Notwithstanding those with the power and influence content to keep Scientology exactly the way it is... there are monsters where the light doesn&#039;t shine. Some fly make believe jet fighters or control vast financial wealth).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542594">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, its tough alright isn&#8217;t it? Compromising and even going against your own instincts if and when things go south is such a delicate balancing act with your emotions, desires and even grass roots level survival. It can impact your life radically with relationships. There sure can be the dark side compared to the good times.<br />
That&#8217;s where Scientology&#8217;s disconnection in particular is such an evil thing. Through no fault or personality flaw of your own, a loved one, even a spouse, friends, anyone who believes and follows the insane doctrine of Hubbard&#8217;s and severs their life connection from you solely for their perceived benefit of the alleged,  but totally false, threat to their immortality. If the &#8216;tech&#8217; worked as advertised you wouldn&#8217;t need disconnection, just communicate or withdraw to a amendable degree but not sever love ones from your life! Miscavige in particular, weaponized it even further but very much kept alive Hubbard&#8217;s tool of disconnection for the reason of maintaining control by fear. Fair Gaming is the first cousin of disconnection imo. If there&#8217;s a living example of one soulless fool above all other soulless fools, it&#8217;s Miscavige. (Notwithstanding those with the power and influence content to keep Scientology exactly the way it is&#8230; there are monsters where the light doesn&#8217;t shine. Some fly make believe jet fighters or control vast financial wealth).</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 18:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542595&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Rant on, Aqua.  Because what you say is true!  To label us SP means they give us all the power... they have to disconnect from us because they would melt if they got too close to an SP.  The way they shatter suppression is to run, run fast and hard away from these uber powerful SP&#039;s.  It is very funny.  If they want to look at real evil, have them see documentaries on the Holocaust and Hitler.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542595">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Rant on, Aqua.  Because what you say is true!  To label us SP means they give us all the power&#8230; they have to disconnect from us because they would melt if they got too close to an SP.  The way they shatter suppression is to run, run fast and hard away from these uber powerful SP&#8217;s.  It is very funny.  If they want to look at real evil, have them see documentaries on the Holocaust and Hitler.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542612&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Tiny Tim, LOL!  Yes, Amen to that :)]]></description>
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<p>Tiny Tim, LOL!  Yes, Amen to that 🙂</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 09:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542587&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you again,  Aqua.  I agree that we should all pat ourselves on the back for confronting the evil that is the C of S, for looking, listening, confronting, and leaving.  And letting them know that they can go fuck themselves and that you are disconnecting from them, that will make their head spin.  So everyone here writing and reading the blogs and speaking out, pat yourselves on the back for getting out and getting free.  As  Tiny Tim said, &quot;God bless us, every one!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542587">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you again,  Aqua.  I agree that we should all pat ourselves on the back for confronting the evil that is the C of S, for looking, listening, confronting, and leaving.  And letting them know that they can go fuck themselves and that you are disconnecting from them, that will make their head spin.  So everyone here writing and reading the blogs and speaking out, pat yourselves on the back for getting out and getting free.  As  Tiny Tim said, &#8220;God bless us, every one!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 09:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I want to thank Mike Rinder, Tony Ortega, Debbie Cook, Hy Levy, Karen De la Carriere, Jeffrey Augustine, Mat and Claire Headley, Aaron Smith Levin and many many others for speaking out and writing truth and exposing the cult of Scientology like  you do and have done for over a decade.  These writings helped me see the truth and leave and have helped so many people leave the cult.  You all are heroes plus the many I haven&#039;t mentioned here.  You all faced Fair Gaming because of speaking out but you were courageous enough to do so anyway.  Thank  you for helping free so many people from that evil cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to thank Mike Rinder, Tony Ortega, Debbie Cook, Hy Levy, Karen De la Carriere, Jeffrey Augustine, Mat and Claire Headley, Aaron Smith Levin and many many others for speaking out and writing truth and exposing the cult of Scientology like  you do and have done for over a decade.  These writings helped me see the truth and leave and have helped so many people leave the cult.  You all are heroes plus the many I haven&#8217;t mentioned here.  You all faced Fair Gaming because of speaking out but you were courageous enough to do so anyway.  Thank  you for helping free so many people from that evil cult.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 09:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542587&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I agree.  I should validate myself daily for having the courage to look, to believe what I saw, and to make the decision to leave and keep gone instead of going back to &quot;route out properly&quot; or do &quot;A to E&quot; to get back in.  All of us writing here went through the same process of looking, listening, believing what we heard and saw, confronting the evil, and eventually leaving.  Congratulations to each and every one of us.  And as Tiny Tim said, &quot;God bless us, every one!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542587">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I agree.  I should validate myself daily for having the courage to look, to believe what I saw, and to make the decision to leave and keep gone instead of going back to &#8220;route out properly&#8221; or do &#8220;A to E&#8221; to get back in.  All of us writing here went through the same process of looking, listening, believing what we heard and saw, confronting the evil, and eventually leaving.  Congratulations to each and every one of us.  And as Tiny Tim said, &#8220;God bless us, every one!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 03:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542589&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

But you see, you know the truth.  You know the truth about yourself, and you know the truth about your kids and the cult they&#039;re stuck in.  Because you put them there of course but so freakin&#039; what?  How old must they be before they start to look and observe?  How old were you?  How old was I? How old was Mike Rinder and Leah Remini and thousands of other Ex scientologist who observed what they observed, and eventually got the hell out?  We did it; so can your kids.  And unless and until they do they are  not WORTHY of YOUR company. Nor are they worth your time or any wasted tender feelings.  And for goddamned sure they&#039;re not worth a penny of your money!  Hate?  No way!  Indifference at best.  Boredom. 

 And as for what they think of you, why would you care? 

 If somehow you learned that all  the inmates of the local insane asylum thought you were an evil monster who must be shunned, would you care?  Woud it bother you? 

 You&#039;d probably  think it funny that they&#039;d be so deluded as to believe that you&#039;re the cause of all the ills of Planet Earth.

  You&#039;d laugh about it because in this asylum are people who without their medication would be  walking around thinking they&#039;re Napolean or Cleopatra.  

They&#039;re nuts, these inmates. 

 And they think you&#039;re dangerous...so?  Its funny, isn&#039;t it?  So laugh!

  That&#039;s what you should be doing.  That&#039;s what we ALL should be doing.  Not hating the cult - laughing at it. Because the cult IS an insane asylum, and their member are the inmates.

 End of another rant :)
Look, I&#039;m getting this ALL out my system, OK?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542589">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>But you see, you know the truth.  You know the truth about yourself, and you know the truth about your kids and the cult they&#8217;re stuck in.  Because you put them there of course but so freakin&#8217; what?  How old must they be before they start to look and observe?  How old were you?  How old was I? How old was Mike Rinder and Leah Remini and thousands of other Ex scientologist who observed what they observed, and eventually got the hell out?  We did it; so can your kids.  And unless and until they do they are  not WORTHY of YOUR company. Nor are they worth your time or any wasted tender feelings.  And for goddamned sure they&#8217;re not worth a penny of your money!  Hate?  No way!  Indifference at best.  Boredom. </p>
<p> And as for what they think of you, why would you care? </p>
<p> If somehow you learned that all  the inmates of the local insane asylum thought you were an evil monster who must be shunned, would you care?  Woud it bother you? </p>
<p> You&#8217;d probably  think it funny that they&#8217;d be so deluded as to believe that you&#8217;re the cause of all the ills of Planet Earth.</p>
<p>  You&#8217;d laugh about it because in this asylum are people who without their medication would be  walking around thinking they&#8217;re Napolean or Cleopatra.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re nuts, these inmates. </p>
<p> And they think you&#8217;re dangerous&#8230;so?  Its funny, isn&#8217;t it?  So laugh!</p>
<p>  That&#8217;s what you should be doing.  That&#8217;s what we ALL should be doing.  Not hating the cult &#8211; laughing at it. Because the cult IS an insane asylum, and their member are the inmates.</p>
<p> End of another rant 🙂<br />
Look, I&#8217;m getting this ALL out my system, OK?</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 02:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542575&quot;&gt;Yawn&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;...when assessing people...spot the soulless fool.&quot;

Exactly, Yawn.

What really tough though - what has to be the toughest thing to do is spot someone you totally love, someone you totally need and totally want in your life, someone you can&#039;t imagine living without - spot THIS person as a soulless fool, and deal with him or her accordingly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-horrifying-scientology-cover-up/#comment-542575">Yawn</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;when assessing people&#8230;spot the soulless fool.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly, Yawn.</p>
<p>What really tough though &#8211; what has to be the toughest thing to do is spot someone you totally love, someone you totally need and totally want in your life, someone you can&#8217;t imagine living without &#8211; spot THIS person as a soulless fool, and deal with him or her accordingly.</p>
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