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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2020 03:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343611&quot;&gt;Friend of Audrey Williams&lt;/a&gt;.

Friend of Audrey Williams,

THANK YOU for responding to me and sharing all of this EXTREMELY good news!

I am very glad she didn&#039;t have dementia but yet used the legal system with regard to Elder Abuse to get DOUBLE her money back from the cult!  Wow!

This is fabulous news.  This does my heart good,  because you are 100% correct; the pressure that is exerted on Still Ins of ALL ages can be overwhelming, totally and one  does not have to be over 65 to be susceptible to it!  

One can be highly vulnerable at ANY age to the ruthless tactics, the mental trickery and emotional blackmail the cult brings to bear when it targets a Still In for money.

Forget her age; very very 100 X VERY  well done to Audrey Williams,  your friend, for pushing back, for saying, &quot;No way, this is NOT going to stand, this is NOT going to be OK&quot; and then being willing to go at the cult hammer and tongs to get justice done, to get her money back by any legal means necessary (PLUS damages, if you please)!

And kudos galore to Graham Berry, naturally.  You are The Man, Mr. Berry!

 You&#039;ve really made my night, FoAW.    Thanks again!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343611">Friend of Audrey Williams</a>.</p>
<p>Friend of Audrey Williams,</p>
<p>THANK YOU for responding to me and sharing all of this EXTREMELY good news!</p>
<p>I am very glad she didn&#8217;t have dementia but yet used the legal system with regard to Elder Abuse to get DOUBLE her money back from the cult!  Wow!</p>
<p>This is fabulous news.  This does my heart good,  because you are 100% correct; the pressure that is exerted on Still Ins of ALL ages can be overwhelming, totally and one  does not have to be over 65 to be susceptible to it!  </p>
<p>One can be highly vulnerable at ANY age to the ruthless tactics, the mental trickery and emotional blackmail the cult brings to bear when it targets a Still In for money.</p>
<p>Forget her age; very very 100 X VERY  well done to Audrey Williams,  your friend, for pushing back, for saying, &#8220;No way, this is NOT going to stand, this is NOT going to be OK&#8221; and then being willing to go at the cult hammer and tongs to get justice done, to get her money back by any legal means necessary (PLUS damages, if you please)!</p>
<p>And kudos galore to Graham Berry, naturally.  You are The Man, Mr. Berry!</p>
<p> You&#8217;ve really made my night, FoAW.    Thanks again!</p>
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		By: Friend of Audrey Williams		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2020 01:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343152&quot;&gt;aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I know Audrey Williams very well.  She told me all about the criminal acts by Scientology.  She did not have dementia.  She was a victim of a scam and Scientology got caught and gave her all of her money back and doubled it.

She was manipulated, deceived, pressured  and coerced.   It&#039;s much like the cops do to someone they want to pin a crime on.   They isolate the person....pretend to care about the....tell them they are their friend and trying to help...gang up on the person...keep them up late...confuse them and apply pressure, pressure, more pressure while they play the good Regg / cop  vs bad Regg / Cop .
It&#039;s called mind control brainwashing and it works.

This is why Scientologists train - to get everyone&#039;s money.
This happens every single day in Scientology.  Nothing is going to change ever.
She just happened to complain about it loud enough  - she got all of her money back and it was doubled, from what I heard.   So her $60 K was $120K in refund from the cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343152">aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I know Audrey Williams very well.  She told me all about the criminal acts by Scientology.  She did not have dementia.  She was a victim of a scam and Scientology got caught and gave her all of her money back and doubled it.</p>
<p>She was manipulated, deceived, pressured  and coerced.   It&#8217;s much like the cops do to someone they want to pin a crime on.   They isolate the person&#8230;.pretend to care about the&#8230;.tell them they are their friend and trying to help&#8230;gang up on the person&#8230;keep them up late&#8230;confuse them and apply pressure, pressure, more pressure while they play the good Regg / cop  vs bad Regg / Cop .<br />
It&#8217;s called mind control brainwashing and it works.</p>
<p>This is why Scientologists train &#8211; to get everyone&#8217;s money.<br />
This happens every single day in Scientology.  Nothing is going to change ever.<br />
She just happened to complain about it loud enough  &#8211; she got all of her money back and it was doubled, from what I heard.   So her $60 K was $120K in refund from the cult.</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2020 20:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343140&quot;&gt;Jenyfurrr&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, it&#039;s much much worse.  I never got even close to anything like this.  Any day my X will be phoneing wanting advice: &quot;What out here, should I read first?&quot;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343140">Jenyfurrr</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s much much worse.  I never got even close to anything like this.  Any day my X will be phoneing wanting advice: &#8220;What out here, should I read first?&#8221;<br />
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		By: Bo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2020 05:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343035&quot;&gt;Glenn&lt;/a&gt;.

I remember Rex Fowler dressed in that get up.  Now he’s wearing an orange jumpsuit and serving time somewhere.]]></description>
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<p>I remember Rex Fowler dressed in that get up.  Now he’s wearing an orange jumpsuit and serving time somewhere.</p>
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		By: Jethro Bodine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 23:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I need to ask a dumb question - Why would an OT 7 need to buy $60,000 worth of service at AOLA? She&#039;s not even one of their public; she should be doing services at Flag or the Fleecewinds. Unless, of course they&#039;re making her do the basic books course or extension courses or some re-tread, which could be the case since scientology will do anything for money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to ask a dumb question &#8211; Why would an OT 7 need to buy $60,000 worth of service at AOLA? She&#8217;s not even one of their public; she should be doing services at Flag or the Fleecewinds. Unless, of course they&#8217;re making her do the basic books course or extension courses or some re-tread, which could be the case since scientology will do anything for money.</p>
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		By: aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 18:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343102&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t wholly agree, Peacemaker.  In business I&#039;ve known people who kept all their marbles and then some well into their 90s.  In my family I&#039;ve known 3 people close to me with all their faculties into their mid 80s and mid 90s.  I also know  someone in her late 70s with hardly any memory left.  I know people in their 50s who can&#039;t even recall what they had for breakfast.  All of this being said, I don&#039;t know this woman and if she was in such a state of cognitive decline as you describe then there&#039;s no argument, you&#039;re 100% right.  I was opining based on her not being in such a state. 82 is not necessarily as old and over the hill as it used to be, its seems.  I was also opining on her having been trained and audited for the past 5 decades, having been in Scientology orgs for 5 straight decades and having experienced all that that would entail.  One would think that at least warning bells would go off.  But people who persist in magical thinking, these Still Ins who hold on and hold on and let themselves get lied to and scammed continually, year in and year out, these people don&#039;t improve with age.  Something has to shock them, really shock them, IMO, before they actually start looking and stop listening.  But again, all of this being said, if she was indeed in some stage of dementia, early or otherwise, then there&#039;s NO argument and you&#039;re right.   I didn&#039;t take that possibility into consideration when I judged her for &quot;learning nothing&quot; about the cult after being 50 years in.  It didn&#039;t occur so you&#039;re right to point it out. Certainly the whole thing would make more sense if indeed she was in this state.   Although it doesn&#039;t say much for Scientology, does it, that an OT 7 and a 50 years long trained and audited Scientologist would end up with Alzheimer&#039;s?  Not exactly a product of the Tech :) And last but not least, no matter WHAT mental state this woman was or is in, I am FERVENTLY glad that she got her money back and then some, from the cult!  Make no mistake on THAT point!  ANY money that ANY Still In can,  in any way legally possible.  claw back from this unscrupulous greedy cult is totally deserved,  and I salute her and Graham Berry!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-343102">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t wholly agree, Peacemaker.  In business I&#8217;ve known people who kept all their marbles and then some well into their 90s.  In my family I&#8217;ve known 3 people close to me with all their faculties into their mid 80s and mid 90s.  I also know  someone in her late 70s with hardly any memory left.  I know people in their 50s who can&#8217;t even recall what they had for breakfast.  All of this being said, I don&#8217;t know this woman and if she was in such a state of cognitive decline as you describe then there&#8217;s no argument, you&#8217;re 100% right.  I was opining based on her not being in such a state. 82 is not necessarily as old and over the hill as it used to be, its seems.  I was also opining on her having been trained and audited for the past 5 decades, having been in Scientology orgs for 5 straight decades and having experienced all that that would entail.  One would think that at least warning bells would go off.  But people who persist in magical thinking, these Still Ins who hold on and hold on and let themselves get lied to and scammed continually, year in and year out, these people don&#8217;t improve with age.  Something has to shock them, really shock them, IMO, before they actually start looking and stop listening.  But again, all of this being said, if she was indeed in some stage of dementia, early or otherwise, then there&#8217;s NO argument and you&#8217;re right.   I didn&#8217;t take that possibility into consideration when I judged her for &#8220;learning nothing&#8221; about the cult after being 50 years in.  It didn&#8217;t occur so you&#8217;re right to point it out. Certainly the whole thing would make more sense if indeed she was in this state.   Although it doesn&#8217;t say much for Scientology, does it, that an OT 7 and a 50 years long trained and audited Scientologist would end up with Alzheimer&#8217;s?  Not exactly a product of the Tech 🙂 And last but not least, no matter WHAT mental state this woman was or is in, I am FERVENTLY glad that she got her money back and then some, from the cult!  Make no mistake on THAT point!  ANY money that ANY Still In can,  in any way legally possible.  claw back from this unscrupulous greedy cult is totally deserved,  and I salute her and Graham Berry!</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 17:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-342876&quot;&gt;Skyler&lt;/a&gt;.

True Skyler - this should be required reading especially for those on the fence about leaving. But I do hope (and believe) that Mike, Leah, Tony, etc... inspire many of us to write and submit our own “knowledge reports” on the approved IRS forms when these stories come out. Plus the fact that they’re helping coordinate these reports so that victims know Graham Berry is willing to help them demand return of their money and get these provable instances reported to the appropriate agencies so that they begin to see the totality of the ongoing fraud!]]></description>
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<p>True Skyler &#8211; this should be required reading especially for those on the fence about leaving. But I do hope (and believe) that Mike, Leah, Tony, etc&#8230; inspire many of us to write and submit our own “knowledge reports” on the approved IRS forms when these stories come out. Plus the fact that they’re helping coordinate these reports so that victims know Graham Berry is willing to help them demand return of their money and get these provable instances reported to the appropriate agencies so that they begin to see the totality of the ongoing fraud!</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 17:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-342906&quot;&gt;Cece&lt;/a&gt;.

Good perspective to have Cece. I know (&#038; love) you and your heart for all living things personally, so I struggle to ever picture you doing things even remotely close to this!

But it also seems to have become more desperate, more criminal since you were there. From turning EVERYONE (even auditors) into reges for the Basics push, to even using case info to push buttons in order to get people to give - though it’s always been very wrong, the way they pressure - it definitely seems the little tyrant has placed SO much overt pressure, that people will do anything legal or not to squeeze money out of every “mark”!]]></description>
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<p>Good perspective to have Cece. I know (&amp; love) you and your heart for all living things personally, so I struggle to ever picture you doing things even remotely close to this!</p>
<p>But it also seems to have become more desperate, more criminal since you were there. From turning EVERYONE (even auditors) into reges for the Basics push, to even using case info to push buttons in order to get people to give &#8211; though it’s always been very wrong, the way they pressure &#8211; it definitely seems the little tyrant has placed SO much overt pressure, that people will do anything legal or not to squeeze money out of every “mark”!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 17:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-342942&quot;&gt;A Saint Louis ex Cult member&lt;/a&gt;.

A Saint, that maroon mini van has been sitting next to the VM van for months and months and months if not over a year. There is a maroon small SUV that has been there throughout the lock down. I have not gone by early or after hours to see if they go home at night.]]></description>
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<p>A Saint, that maroon mini van has been sitting next to the VM van for months and months and months if not over a year. There is a maroon small SUV that has been there throughout the lock down. I have not gone by early or after hours to see if they go home at night.</p>
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		By: Stat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 15:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-story-of-financial-crime-targeting-the-elderly-in-scientology/#comment-342981&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I hear you Aqua - and I agree.   I guess I would like to protect future generations.  I mean, if you stay in Scientology long after shows are exposing the truth about Scientology, like Leah Remini and Mike&#039;s show, you deserve to get fleeced and destroyed because information is available and you are choosing to be stick your head in the sand.   Fuck em all.

I hope the Scientologists I know all go broke and lose their homes if they have any.  They are the cold and uncaring people who would throw their own mother under the bus for a fucking stat.]]></description>
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<p>I hear you Aqua &#8211; and I agree.   I guess I would like to protect future generations.  I mean, if you stay in Scientology long after shows are exposing the truth about Scientology, like Leah Remini and Mike&#8217;s show, you deserve to get fleeced and destroyed because information is available and you are choosing to be stick your head in the sand.   Fuck em all.</p>
<p>I hope the Scientologists I know all go broke and lose their homes if they have any.  They are the cold and uncaring people who would throw their own mother under the bus for a fucking stat.</p>
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