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		By: George		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will revoking tax free status really be the end of this group? Let&#039;s not forget that the glory years of big member numbers, great finances etc were during the days of having to pay tax. Sure treating them like any business would be a win for humanity but I don&#039;t think it&#039;ll be the massive victory people are both hoping or predicting.

They will still be around for several years, 
perhaps decades tax free or not however in much declining numbers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will revoking tax free status really be the end of this group? Let&#8217;s not forget that the glory years of big member numbers, great finances etc were during the days of having to pay tax. Sure treating them like any business would be a win for humanity but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll be the massive victory people are both hoping or predicting.</p>
<p>They will still be around for several years,<br />
perhaps decades tax free or not however in much declining numbers.</p>
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		By: George		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2021 23:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388695&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

You may have a good point on size of building v member numbers but that is a argument that won&#039;t work too well in Australia (well at least the Melbourne org). I drive 100s of ks through Melbourne for work and every time I go past the org the car park is full. They could argue that their org is in proportion with their needs. 

It will be interesting to see what comes of this. A few years ago a prominent politician Nick Xenophon asked for a enquiry into Scientoliegy however not much eventuated. Things are not going too well in Australia for the group, each census signal essentially less people are identifying themselves as Scientologists and by the end of the decade they are likely to have less than a thousand adherents country wide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388695">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>You may have a good point on size of building v member numbers but that is a argument that won&#8217;t work too well in Australia (well at least the Melbourne org). I drive 100s of ks through Melbourne for work and every time I go past the org the car park is full. They could argue that their org is in proportion with their needs. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what comes of this. A few years ago a prominent politician Nick Xenophon asked for a enquiry into Scientoliegy however not much eventuated. Things are not going too well in Australia for the group, each census signal essentially less people are identifying themselves as Scientologists and by the end of the decade they are likely to have less than a thousand adherents country wide.</p>
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		By: Brian J Sheen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388755&quot;&gt;Skyler23&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes...that would be nice, but sadly we live it a world surrounded by monsters. The nature of the ego mind is to align itself with power hungry monsters whether by Scientology, Isis, Putin, Kim Jong-Un, Xi Jinping, Donald Trump or many religious and political fanatical groups pretending to save the world from the evils only they can resolve. Even &quot;freezone&quot; Scientologists, who are no longer under the thumb of David Miscavige and his OSA cronies, maintain the insanity of Hubbard&#039;s OT 3 hallucinations and  believe that Hubbard has reincarnated as Justin Craig to bring them salvation. 
My hope is that the US stops giving them protection under the First Amendment and removes tax exemption, so they can then let justice address their unconstitutional and human right violations of disconnection , frauds, and their protection of rapists and human trafficking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388755">Skyler23</a>.</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;that would be nice, but sadly we live it a world surrounded by monsters. The nature of the ego mind is to align itself with power hungry monsters whether by Scientology, Isis, Putin, Kim Jong-Un, Xi Jinping, Donald Trump or many religious and political fanatical groups pretending to save the world from the evils only they can resolve. Even &#8220;freezone&#8221; Scientologists, who are no longer under the thumb of David Miscavige and his OSA cronies, maintain the insanity of Hubbard&#8217;s OT 3 hallucinations and  believe that Hubbard has reincarnated as Justin Craig to bring them salvation.<br />
My hope is that the US stops giving them protection under the First Amendment and removes tax exemption, so they can then let justice address their unconstitutional and human right violations of disconnection , frauds, and their protection of rapists and human trafficking.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 15:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that transparency, and disclosure, would do a lot to take the wind out of the sails of the CofS and other exploitive groups.  All other types of non-profits have to make reports of their finances available to members and the public - responsible large religious organizations do so voluntarily - and seeing where the money is actually going would shake a fair number of scientologists including probably some of the donors, as well as make the public more aware of what is really going on.

There may be some justification for not putting onerous reporting requirements on small charitable ministries, but that could be dealt with through some reasonable qualifications and exclusions.  There&#039;s no reason that large and wealthy &#039;religious&#039; non-profits, which get tax exemption and other benefits under the presumption that they are serving the public good, shouldn&#039;t provide an accounting of what they&#039;re actually doing with all their money and resources.

Unfortunately, not only the CofS, but wealthy ministries with bigger and more influential followings, would probably fight anything tooth-and-nail, that revealed how they and their leaders actually spend the money they rake in.  Though I sometimes wonder why the largest and most responsible organizations don&#039;t band together to push requirements that would help clean up their ranks -- including when it comes to more mundane things like addiction treatment (though at least recent changes helped to cut out the predatory paid middlemen who were routing people to the likes of Narconon).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that transparency, and disclosure, would do a lot to take the wind out of the sails of the CofS and other exploitive groups.  All other types of non-profits have to make reports of their finances available to members and the public &#8211; responsible large religious organizations do so voluntarily &#8211; and seeing where the money is actually going would shake a fair number of scientologists including probably some of the donors, as well as make the public more aware of what is really going on.</p>
<p>There may be some justification for not putting onerous reporting requirements on small charitable ministries, but that could be dealt with through some reasonable qualifications and exclusions.  There&#8217;s no reason that large and wealthy &#8216;religious&#8217; non-profits, which get tax exemption and other benefits under the presumption that they are serving the public good, shouldn&#8217;t provide an accounting of what they&#8217;re actually doing with all their money and resources.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, not only the CofS, but wealthy ministries with bigger and more influential followings, would probably fight anything tooth-and-nail, that revealed how they and their leaders actually spend the money they rake in.  Though I sometimes wonder why the largest and most responsible organizations don&#8217;t band together to push requirements that would help clean up their ranks &#8212; including when it comes to more mundane things like addiction treatment (though at least recent changes helped to cut out the predatory paid middlemen who were routing people to the likes of Narconon).</p>
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		By: Skyler23		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 14:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388748&quot;&gt;Brian J Sheen&lt;/a&gt;.

Brian, you make some excellent points. The one thing I think we fully agree is that the primary objective is to put these monsters out of business and the sooner - the better.

Best wishes to you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388748">Brian J Sheen</a>.</p>
<p>Brian, you make some excellent points. The one thing I think we fully agree is that the primary objective is to put these monsters out of business and the sooner &#8211; the better.</p>
<p>Best wishes to you!</p>
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		By: Brian J Sheen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 13:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388741&quot;&gt;Skyler23&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your perspective, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Firstly, a million dollar settlement is nothing for COS to pay. And these victims would probably net less than half of that after expenses are paid and their attorneys took their share. I doubt they would consider that. $10 million dollars might be more tempting yet however even this is pennies for COS as it has billions stashed away for these type of things. 

I believe the most damage that could be done is for full exposure of how these victims of rape, were raped again by COS policies having them pay for auditing as they &quot;pulled this in&quot; and being made to conceal a crime to protect their reputation and the celebrity worship culture they promote. Exposing what and how COS does in these circumstances, might have a domino effect to bring other similar crimes out of the woodwork and maybe, just maybe become a tipping point to get their tax exemption brought into question again and even their religious status. 
The press on all these could easily damage them hundreds of millions and bring focus to all the VIP Whales that support them and help dry up their ongoing source of funding. Take away their taxpayer funding and VIP donations and they will die a quick death. Their ideal orgs will be a weight around their neck as they would have to pay real estate taxes.  Being forced to pay Sea Org members minimum wage and provide basic employee benefits would dig an even earlier grave. And I believe any hope for this, is a complete exposure of COS actions at the pre-trial hearing...PLUS..I think these victims will WIN their cases anyway and COS be forced to pay tens of millions EACH, and Danny Masterson and other culprits will give new meaning to &quot;prion of beliefs&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388741">Skyler23</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your perspective, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Firstly, a million dollar settlement is nothing for COS to pay. And these victims would probably net less than half of that after expenses are paid and their attorneys took their share. I doubt they would consider that. $10 million dollars might be more tempting yet however even this is pennies for COS as it has billions stashed away for these type of things. </p>
<p>I believe the most damage that could be done is for full exposure of how these victims of rape, were raped again by COS policies having them pay for auditing as they &#8220;pulled this in&#8221; and being made to conceal a crime to protect their reputation and the celebrity worship culture they promote. Exposing what and how COS does in these circumstances, might have a domino effect to bring other similar crimes out of the woodwork and maybe, just maybe become a tipping point to get their tax exemption brought into question again and even their religious status.<br />
The press on all these could easily damage them hundreds of millions and bring focus to all the VIP Whales that support them and help dry up their ongoing source of funding. Take away their taxpayer funding and VIP donations and they will die a quick death. Their ideal orgs will be a weight around their neck as they would have to pay real estate taxes.  Being forced to pay Sea Org members minimum wage and provide basic employee benefits would dig an even earlier grave. And I believe any hope for this, is a complete exposure of COS actions at the pre-trial hearing&#8230;PLUS..I think these victims will WIN their cases anyway and COS be forced to pay tens of millions EACH, and Danny Masterson and other culprits will give new meaning to &#8220;prion of beliefs&#8221;</p>
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		By: Skyler23		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 11:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388671&quot;&gt;Brian J Sheen&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Brian.  There is another POV regarding the lawsuits brought against this cult.

If the cult offers a huge amount of money to the people who are currently suing them in exchange for them dropping their suit and then remaining silent, it may not be a bad thing for them to accept the money.

First of all, they really deserve the money. I think that considering the current size of this cult&#039;s net worth, they should hold out for at least a million dollars each. People like Valerie Haney really deserve at least that much money and maybe even ten million because she was robbed of almost her entire life by these monsters. The victims in the Masterson debacle may deserve even more because it can be said they suffered even more. Can you imagine being forced into sex with that creep?

Second, every time this cult has to shell out multi-million dollar settlements to lawsuits, two wonderful things happen.

1) People who have suffered at the hands of this cult will sit up and take notice and they will have a good reason to start their own lawsuit. If this progresses, it could be equivalent to taking a great big bite out of their rear ends. Every time they settle, I think it becomes easier for the next person to sue and be given a big settlement.

2) The cult will have to think seriously about putting an end to all their abuses and atrocities and maybe even put an end to disconnection and return some of the family members to their families before they get sued over that too.

So, it could be a very good thing for people who sue them to win great big settlements. I may be selfish. But I certainly would enjoy seeing this cult pay off big bucks every time they get sued.  I would hope it would start a &quot;snowball effect&quot; that could maybe put these bastards right out of business.

And wouldn&#039;t it be great to see a video clip of THE TWERP standing on a street corner selling pencils?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388671">Brian J Sheen</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Brian.  There is another POV regarding the lawsuits brought against this cult.</p>
<p>If the cult offers a huge amount of money to the people who are currently suing them in exchange for them dropping their suit and then remaining silent, it may not be a bad thing for them to accept the money.</p>
<p>First of all, they really deserve the money. I think that considering the current size of this cult&#8217;s net worth, they should hold out for at least a million dollars each. People like Valerie Haney really deserve at least that much money and maybe even ten million because she was robbed of almost her entire life by these monsters. The victims in the Masterson debacle may deserve even more because it can be said they suffered even more. Can you imagine being forced into sex with that creep?</p>
<p>Second, every time this cult has to shell out multi-million dollar settlements to lawsuits, two wonderful things happen.</p>
<p>1) People who have suffered at the hands of this cult will sit up and take notice and they will have a good reason to start their own lawsuit. If this progresses, it could be equivalent to taking a great big bite out of their rear ends. Every time they settle, I think it becomes easier for the next person to sue and be given a big settlement.</p>
<p>2) The cult will have to think seriously about putting an end to all their abuses and atrocities and maybe even put an end to disconnection and return some of the family members to their families before they get sued over that too.</p>
<p>So, it could be a very good thing for people who sue them to win great big settlements. I may be selfish. But I certainly would enjoy seeing this cult pay off big bucks every time they get sued.  I would hope it would start a &#8220;snowball effect&#8221; that could maybe put these bastards right out of business.</p>
<p>And wouldn&#8217;t it be great to see a video clip of THE TWERP standing on a street corner selling pencils?</p>
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		By: Scicrit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 10:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388680&quot;&gt;Eyes wide&lt;/a&gt;.

All UK Scientology entites have been registered in the State of South Australia since 1999, when UK Charity Commissioners refused them charitable status (and the tax exemption that goes with it). 

As per our 2011 census the UK has almost  twice the number of Scientologists there are in Oz, so losing charitable status there would be a major blow to Scientology in two nations. 

They have invested a lot in the Republic of Ireland in the last 3 years, so I wonder if that&#039;s their tax haven backup. 

They won&#039;t pay tax without a fight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388680">Eyes wide</a>.</p>
<p>All UK Scientology entites have been registered in the State of South Australia since 1999, when UK Charity Commissioners refused them charitable status (and the tax exemption that goes with it). </p>
<p>As per our 2011 census the UK has almost  twice the number of Scientologists there are in Oz, so losing charitable status there would be a major blow to Scientology in two nations. </p>
<p>They have invested a lot in the Republic of Ireland in the last 3 years, so I wonder if that&#8217;s their tax haven backup. </p>
<p>They won&#8217;t pay tax without a fight.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 09:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388680&quot;&gt;Eyes wide&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;Eyes wide wrote: 

&quot;The ultimate CLEARing would be to stop the charitable status world wide and throw DM in jail for the rest of his life.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

I agree with several things you wrote. But I&#039;d like to adjust them a little bit.

You  said there is still a lot of ignorance about this cult in Australia. I agree but I think there is actually a lot of ignorance about it everywhere. I believe it is important to help the public to understand this cult is not just something silly to laugh about but to understand it is a is actually &lt;b&gt;&quot;a terrible criminal organization set up as a for-profit business masquerading as a religion.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

That may well be the first step in putting an end to this evil cult. Once the general perception of this cult is that it is a dangerous criminal organization, it will be much easier to get support for abolishing it everywhere.

As far as THE TWERP goes, you said it would be good to throw him in jail for the rest of his life. I would like to see him get taken to a real bus stop and get thrown .... (I think you know the rest).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388680">Eyes wide</a>.</p>
<p><b>Eyes wide wrote: </p>
<p>&#8220;The ultimate CLEARing would be to stop the charitable status world wide and throw DM in jail for the rest of his life.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>I agree with several things you wrote. But I&#8217;d like to adjust them a little bit.</p>
<p>You  said there is still a lot of ignorance about this cult in Australia. I agree but I think there is actually a lot of ignorance about it everywhere. I believe it is important to help the public to understand this cult is not just something silly to laugh about but to understand it is a is actually <b>&#8220;a terrible criminal organization set up as a for-profit business masquerading as a religion.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>That may well be the first step in putting an end to this evil cult. Once the general perception of this cult is that it is a dangerous criminal organization, it will be much easier to get support for abolishing it everywhere.</p>
<p>As far as THE TWERP goes, you said it would be good to throw him in jail for the rest of his life. I would like to see him get taken to a real bus stop and get thrown &#8230;. (I think you know the rest).</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/australian-media-again-leading-the-way/#comment-388675&quot;&gt;ISNOINews&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m glad to see someone did the math which exposes the CofS&#039; outrageous accumulation of wealth and property - achieved by asset-stripping its members.

The &#039;ideal&#039; orgs also show how far out of proportion things are: they have 50,000 square foot buildings for local groups that now don&#039;t even have 50 active members left.  That&#039;s more square footage than most people have to live in - and for many members it&#039;s even come at the cost of losing their own homes to foreclosure and bankruptcy, after being pressured into giving more money than they could really afford.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m glad to see someone did the math which exposes the CofS&#8217; outrageous accumulation of wealth and property &#8211; achieved by asset-stripping its members.</p>
<p>The &#8216;ideal&#8217; orgs also show how far out of proportion things are: they have 50,000 square foot buildings for local groups that now don&#8217;t even have 50 active members left.  That&#8217;s more square footage than most people have to live in &#8211; and for many members it&#8217;s even come at the cost of losing their own homes to foreclosure and bankruptcy, after being pressured into giving more money than they could really afford.</p>
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