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		By: Todd Miller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2022 03:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/between-lives-implants-and-clams/#comment-497128&quot;&gt;chuck beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Makes me think of an observation made by Jenna Miscavige Hill about how most Scientologists have past life recall about things from several million years ago yet never seem to have similar recalls on things that happened fifty to one hundred years ago that can be verified.
By the way, it&#039;s good to be back.
I missed all of you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/between-lives-implants-and-clams/#comment-497128">chuck beatty</a>.</p>
<p>Makes me think of an observation made by Jenna Miscavige Hill about how most Scientologists have past life recall about things from several million years ago yet never seem to have similar recalls on things that happened fifty to one hundred years ago that can be verified.<br />
By the way, it&#8217;s good to be back.<br />
I missed all of you.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And yet the GE is a thetan too.
No one cares about the GE. 
Hub treated his like a servant or slave.
A &quot;lowly, degraded&quot; being that could be kicked around and abused.
Which didn&#039;t work out too well for him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet the GE is a thetan too.<br />
No one cares about the GE.<br />
Hub treated his like a servant or slave.<br />
A &#8220;lowly, degraded&#8221; being that could be kicked around and abused.<br />
Which didn&#8217;t work out too well for him.</p>
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		By: Koos Nolst Trenité		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/between-lives-implants-and-clams/#comment-497098&quot;&gt;Splunk&lt;/a&gt;.

I would say that Splunk&#039;s anonymous reply is improperly hateful, highly destructive, and without credibility and relevance, other than showing just that about himself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/between-lives-implants-and-clams/#comment-497098">Splunk</a>.</p>
<p>I would say that Splunk&#8217;s anonymous reply is improperly hateful, highly destructive, and without credibility and relevance, other than showing just that about himself.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a thought, when the day comes that Tom Cruise passes away do you or Leah think scientology will give the same bs answer they gave when L Ron Hubbard died. “He has dropped his body” etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a thought, when the day comes that Tom Cruise passes away do you or Leah think scientology will give the same bs answer they gave when L Ron Hubbard died. “He has dropped his body” etc.</p>
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		By: chuck beatty		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[What tethered me to Scientology was Hubbard&#039;s ideas of the soul, that we each are a soul which transmigrates lifetime to lifetime.

Being a soul in animal bodies, kind of is a long term idea, not just Hubbard&#039;s, for some of a soul&#039;s past lifetimes, that&#039;s all quite&quot;reasonable&quot; as soon as you accept the &quot;soul&quot; transmigration theory.

So the &quot;History of Man&quot; just sounded a variety of shock story past lives, in animal bodies, that Hubbard or his early 1950s followers were developing these wacky animal past lives, is all.

No big deal.

In fact, when you join Scientology today, you know that you won&#039;t be doing past lives as animals, particularly, not unless you stumble into some when you run New Era Dianetics at Grade 5.

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Theoretically, I zoomed past the animal bodies, and the robot bodies past lives, and figured that what was MORE likely similar of content to say Buddhism, was just pure soul actions at the origins of one&#039;s Home Universe, on one&#039;s time track.

When I first ran past lives Dianetics in 1976-1977 I ran &quot;past lives&quot; incidents when I didn&#039;t have a body.   (It&#039;s all totally BS and made up imaginary stuff to me today, none of my past lives ever were real, they were always imagination.)

But I thought that our pre bodies &quot;lives&quot; or existences way way way back when we were just pure souls, and at the beginning of our Home Universes, what we decided to &quot;BE&quot; at those first first moments, as in Factor Number 1, &quot;In the beginning is the decision, and the decision is to be.&quot;   (I paraphrase, I don&#039;t have Factor 1 before me, but that FIRST postulation to BE, to me seemed the biggest BASIC ON THE CHAIN of even ALL existence.)

Logically, deciding to BE, is kind of a basic on the chain of anything.   

I was a philosophy dropout from University, and had and still have tons of misconceptions and misunderstandings about philosophy which befuddled me when I joined Scientology, and still have.

So, anyways, the animal nutty bodies and their mechanisms which might still linger detrimentally to us souls who drag along this animal bad karma with us to this day, didn&#039;t really interest me.

I was more wishing Scientology would be more fundamentally philosophical, like getting back to those ancient first moments of BEING in the universe, in the first place, and so forth, through using the Hubbard &quot;earlier similar&quot; commands which are still allowed in the New Era Dianetics quack therapy, even to this day.

R3R Hubbard commands, any generation of the R3R commands and &quot;improved R3RA...&quot; commands will allow one to supposedly jog into past lives, and keep going back and back, into one&#039;s &quot;past lives&quot; or past soul activities in the pre body &quot;time track&quot; one and each of us supposedly have.   It&#039;s all BS, and gets immediately into more discussion that is just never to be had with Scientologists, they don&#039;t go to where their &quot;past lives&quot; theoretical beliefs lead, they don&#039;t get into what&#039;s next logically, if you first accept the soul and the soul having past memories going way way way back.

In and out of bodies, and just being a pure soul, for supposedly vast timeless dateless stretches of existence, pre body eras of our &quot;time track&quot;.   It&#039;s bunk, and I never had any decent conversations with anyone while I was in Scientology about the pre body time track, going back to Factor 1 supposed stretches of our time track.

Instead this History of Man nonsense gets attention, it&#039;s just ludicrous and small potatoes and not that interesting philosophically to me.  (I&#039;m a born again atheist, so it&#039;s all nonsense all this past lives stuff, other than it fits within a certain set of beliefs about the soul, and soul transmigration, and knowing that that has a whole history in other belief and religions, is good to know to compare to Scientology.)

Chuck Beatty
ex Team Xenu 75 to 03]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What tethered me to Scientology was Hubbard&#8217;s ideas of the soul, that we each are a soul which transmigrates lifetime to lifetime.</p>
<p>Being a soul in animal bodies, kind of is a long term idea, not just Hubbard&#8217;s, for some of a soul&#8217;s past lifetimes, that&#8217;s all quite&#8221;reasonable&#8221; as soon as you accept the &#8220;soul&#8221; transmigration theory.</p>
<p>So the &#8220;History of Man&#8221; just sounded a variety of shock story past lives, in animal bodies, that Hubbard or his early 1950s followers were developing these wacky animal past lives, is all.</p>
<p>No big deal.</p>
<p>In fact, when you join Scientology today, you know that you won&#8217;t be doing past lives as animals, particularly, not unless you stumble into some when you run New Era Dianetics at Grade 5.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Theoretically, I zoomed past the animal bodies, and the robot bodies past lives, and figured that what was MORE likely similar of content to say Buddhism, was just pure soul actions at the origins of one&#8217;s Home Universe, on one&#8217;s time track.</p>
<p>When I first ran past lives Dianetics in 1976-1977 I ran &#8220;past lives&#8221; incidents when I didn&#8217;t have a body.   (It&#8217;s all totally BS and made up imaginary stuff to me today, none of my past lives ever were real, they were always imagination.)</p>
<p>But I thought that our pre bodies &#8220;lives&#8221; or existences way way way back when we were just pure souls, and at the beginning of our Home Universes, what we decided to &#8220;BE&#8221; at those first first moments, as in Factor Number 1, &#8220;In the beginning is the decision, and the decision is to be.&#8221;   (I paraphrase, I don&#8217;t have Factor 1 before me, but that FIRST postulation to BE, to me seemed the biggest BASIC ON THE CHAIN of even ALL existence.)</p>
<p>Logically, deciding to BE, is kind of a basic on the chain of anything.   </p>
<p>I was a philosophy dropout from University, and had and still have tons of misconceptions and misunderstandings about philosophy which befuddled me when I joined Scientology, and still have.</p>
<p>So, anyways, the animal nutty bodies and their mechanisms which might still linger detrimentally to us souls who drag along this animal bad karma with us to this day, didn&#8217;t really interest me.</p>
<p>I was more wishing Scientology would be more fundamentally philosophical, like getting back to those ancient first moments of BEING in the universe, in the first place, and so forth, through using the Hubbard &#8220;earlier similar&#8221; commands which are still allowed in the New Era Dianetics quack therapy, even to this day.</p>
<p>R3R Hubbard commands, any generation of the R3R commands and &#8220;improved R3RA&#8230;&#8221; commands will allow one to supposedly jog into past lives, and keep going back and back, into one&#8217;s &#8220;past lives&#8221; or past soul activities in the pre body &#8220;time track&#8221; one and each of us supposedly have.   It&#8217;s all BS, and gets immediately into more discussion that is just never to be had with Scientologists, they don&#8217;t go to where their &#8220;past lives&#8221; theoretical beliefs lead, they don&#8217;t get into what&#8217;s next logically, if you first accept the soul and the soul having past memories going way way way back.</p>
<p>In and out of bodies, and just being a pure soul, for supposedly vast timeless dateless stretches of existence, pre body eras of our &#8220;time track&#8221;.   It&#8217;s bunk, and I never had any decent conversations with anyone while I was in Scientology about the pre body time track, going back to Factor 1 supposed stretches of our time track.</p>
<p>Instead this History of Man nonsense gets attention, it&#8217;s just ludicrous and small potatoes and not that interesting philosophically to me.  (I&#8217;m a born again atheist, so it&#8217;s all nonsense all this past lives stuff, other than it fits within a certain set of beliefs about the soul, and soul transmigration, and knowing that that has a whole history in other belief and religions, is good to know to compare to Scientology.)</p>
<p>Chuck Beatty<br />
ex Team Xenu 75 to 03</p>
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		By: Geoff Levin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 02:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This book solidified me wow factor for scientology. I bought it hook, line and sinker because I loved sci-fi.
And it was certainly my undoing. It’s the gateway to all the expensive upper levels. And they are where the big money used to come in. Insanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book solidified me wow factor for scientology. I bought it hook, line and sinker because I loved sci-fi.<br />
And it was certainly my undoing. It’s the gateway to all the expensive upper levels. And they are where the big money used to come in. Insanity.</p>
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		By: Splunk		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 02:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/between-lives-implants-and-clams/#comment-497079&quot;&gt;Koos Nolst Trenité&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow the very Koos that used to fill ARS with logs of imaginary telepathic auditing sessions of LRH 25 years ago? Well, I hope you have found peace after all these years is all I can say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/between-lives-implants-and-clams/#comment-497079">Koos Nolst Trenité</a>.</p>
<p>Wow the very Koos that used to fill ARS with logs of imaginary telepathic auditing sessions of LRH 25 years ago? Well, I hope you have found peace after all these years is all I can say.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2022 23:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That now old data isn&#039;t producing any results.  It doesn&#039;t help that Mars turns out not to have the implant stations Hebbard imagined, just rocks and dust and maybe some subsurface water.

And the technology obviously doesn&#039;t work regardless, or past life scientologists would be coming back 59 years later, implant free.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That now old data isn&#8217;t producing any results.  It doesn&#8217;t help that Mars turns out not to have the implant stations Hebbard imagined, just rocks and dust and maybe some subsurface water.</p>
<p>And the technology obviously doesn&#8217;t work regardless, or past life scientologists would be coming back 59 years later, implant free.</p>
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		By: Koos Nolst Trenité		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to add, that

Everything Hubbard wrote and said and did, was INTENDED by him, to confuse the reader, listener, and participant in his activities.

This corresponds with his nature of, at all times, preventing people from Perceiving or discovering his actual nature and his true intentions:

Though he admits, that people are spirits, he considers people to be &#039;manipulatable&#039; or &#039;programmable&#039; to serve him and his Dark goals.

Like &quot;programming&quot; his second wife to be faithful to him. (Really! Also by his nature, he is extremely jealous of others - understandably, considering his gaping lack compared to almost anyone and in anything.)

As part of the intended confusion, he CLAIMS it all to be &quot;very true&quot; - being &quot;truths&quot; only HE did or could unearth.

So his epistle &quot;My Philosophy&quot; describes the very OPPOSITE of his ACTUAL &quot;philosophy.&quot;

It is not different, with his &quot;History of Man&quot; - the intention is to confuse, in order to hide himself.

Nor is it different, with his Xenu story (&quot;O.T. III - The Wall Of Fire&quot;), and all his endless &quot;Implant stories&quot; which neither mention WHO inflicted such, nor HOW it was done.

Yet his &#039;confusions&#039; have enough HIDDEN aspects of actuality, to attract the curiosity of some people who wish to be aware of the actuality behind it.

Now it is so, that these things may touch off some vaguest, past memories - which is why some people may react violently when such things are not only investigated but ALSO published as actually having occurred - with who and how and with what intention - meaning: by the Definition of Truth.

with best possible wishes,

Koos]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add, that</p>
<p>Everything Hubbard wrote and said and did, was INTENDED by him, to confuse the reader, listener, and participant in his activities.</p>
<p>This corresponds with his nature of, at all times, preventing people from Perceiving or discovering his actual nature and his true intentions:</p>
<p>Though he admits, that people are spirits, he considers people to be &#8216;manipulatable&#8217; or &#8216;programmable&#8217; to serve him and his Dark goals.</p>
<p>Like &#8220;programming&#8221; his second wife to be faithful to him. (Really! Also by his nature, he is extremely jealous of others &#8211; understandably, considering his gaping lack compared to almost anyone and in anything.)</p>
<p>As part of the intended confusion, he CLAIMS it all to be &#8220;very true&#8221; &#8211; being &#8220;truths&#8221; only HE did or could unearth.</p>
<p>So his epistle &#8220;My Philosophy&#8221; describes the very OPPOSITE of his ACTUAL &#8220;philosophy.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not different, with his &#8220;History of Man&#8221; &#8211; the intention is to confuse, in order to hide himself.</p>
<p>Nor is it different, with his Xenu story (&#8220;O.T. III &#8211; The Wall Of Fire&#8221;), and all his endless &#8220;Implant stories&#8221; which neither mention WHO inflicted such, nor HOW it was done.</p>
<p>Yet his &#8216;confusions&#8217; have enough HIDDEN aspects of actuality, to attract the curiosity of some people who wish to be aware of the actuality behind it.</p>
<p>Now it is so, that these things may touch off some vaguest, past memories &#8211; which is why some people may react violently when such things are not only investigated but ALSO published as actually having occurred &#8211; with who and how and with what intention &#8211; meaning: by the Definition of Truth.</p>
<p>with best possible wishes,</p>
<p>Koos</p>
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		By: Friendlyprogressive		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand these ideas ....
Trying to form some coherent logic out of this seriously hurts my brain ....
Since I never participated in anything connected to Scientology I probably don&#039;t understand some of the concepts and definitions behind this ....
But it sounds like a lot of nonsense ...
I wonder what a believing Scientologist thinks after reading these texts? Do they pretend that this is some profound and deep knowledge?

It is a fallacy to assume that a text you don&#039;t understand is profound, meaningful and intelligent. Maybe it is just confusing madness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand these ideas &#8230;.<br />
Trying to form some coherent logic out of this seriously hurts my brain &#8230;.<br />
Since I never participated in anything connected to Scientology I probably don&#8217;t understand some of the concepts and definitions behind this &#8230;.<br />
But it sounds like a lot of nonsense &#8230;<br />
I wonder what a believing Scientologist thinks after reading these texts? Do they pretend that this is some profound and deep knowledge?</p>
<p>It is a fallacy to assume that a text you don&#8217;t understand is profound, meaningful and intelligent. Maybe it is just confusing madness.</p>
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