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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Haseney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2022 21:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-462889&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard,

We might have been at the Mission of Salt Lake City at the same time.

I left Upstate New York in May/June of 1977, and drove to Walt Disney World in Florida. I smoked one my last joints on that trip. Somewhere between Orlando and Salt Lake City, I gave up all of my pot paraphernalia. I went cold turkey -- no drugs -- and found Scientology in Salt Lake City.

There, I did the Comm Course, the HQS and Life Repair before joining the Sea Org that October.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-462889">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Richard,</p>
<p>We might have been at the Mission of Salt Lake City at the same time.</p>
<p>I left Upstate New York in May/June of 1977, and drove to Walt Disney World in Florida. I smoked one my last joints on that trip. Somewhere between Orlando and Salt Lake City, I gave up all of my pot paraphernalia. I went cold turkey &#8212; no drugs &#8212; and found Scientology in Salt Lake City.</p>
<p>There, I did the Comm Course, the HQS and Life Repair before joining the Sea Org that October.</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Haseney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2022 21:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463152&quot;&gt;GL&lt;/a&gt;.

I never noticed that Helfreid Weber uses different versions of his name!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463152">GL</a>.</p>
<p>I never noticed that Helfreid Weber uses different versions of his name!</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alcoboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 21:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463099&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Too bad that Clearwater can&#039;t legally do a repeat of Nauvoo and Carthage, Illinois in 1844. Most Mormons know what I&#039;m talking about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463099">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Too bad that Clearwater can&#8217;t legally do a repeat of Nauvoo and Carthage, Illinois in 1844. Most Mormons know what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2022 01:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-462986&quot;&gt;Helfreid Weber III&lt;/a&gt;.

Make your mind up! Are you Helfreid Weber III, Helfreid Weber II, Helfreid Weber, Helfreid Weber the sperm or, most likely, Cus the Gog with yet another round of his idiotic name changes to hide behind. Like the $camology troll you are all you have proved is that you are a cretin who continually keeps making a complete fool of himself lately by rehashing the same hoary and tiresome bullshit about the byelection. 

You give scratched records a bad name.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-462986">Helfreid Weber III</a>.</p>
<p>Make your mind up! Are you Helfreid Weber III, Helfreid Weber II, Helfreid Weber, Helfreid Weber the sperm or, most likely, Cus the Gog with yet another round of his idiotic name changes to hide behind. Like the $camology troll you are all you have proved is that you are a cretin who continually keeps making a complete fool of himself lately by rehashing the same hoary and tiresome bullshit about the byelection. </p>
<p>You give scratched records a bad name.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463091&quot;&gt;Helfreid Weber&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, you can feel as disappointed as you want. 

I happened to be on a family vacation last week. Something I had announced beforehand.

I responded to another troll about this last week.

Obviously, the Establishment in Clearwater wants to continue with their head in the sand approach to scientology. They got behind Lina Teixeira fully (and of course, so did scientology). Unfortunately, it is difficult to break Clearwater out of its 20 year pattern. 

What happened to the money? It was spent on campaigning. Fliers etc etc It&#039;s low level trolling to resort to &quot;where did the money go&quot;? And The Aftermath Foundation had nothing to do with this and why would the Foundation have anything to say about it? If you gave money to the Aftermath Foundation and are dissatisfied, just ask for it back. Unlike scientology, we will return it gladly. But of course, you have given none, just &quot;stand on the sidelines and poke fun,&quot; with thinly veiled barbs.

Finally, and sadly, it is my belief there will be no next time as far as Clearwater goes -- this was their chance to change the course of events. The apathy will grow, and downtown Clearwater will be left to the cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463091">Helfreid Weber</a>.</p>
<p>Well, you can feel as disappointed as you want. </p>
<p>I happened to be on a family vacation last week. Something I had announced beforehand.</p>
<p>I responded to another troll about this last week.</p>
<p>Obviously, the Establishment in Clearwater wants to continue with their head in the sand approach to scientology. They got behind Lina Teixeira fully (and of course, so did scientology). Unfortunately, it is difficult to break Clearwater out of its 20 year pattern. </p>
<p>What happened to the money? It was spent on campaigning. Fliers etc etc It&#8217;s low level trolling to resort to &#8220;where did the money go&#8221;? And The Aftermath Foundation had nothing to do with this and why would the Foundation have anything to say about it? If you gave money to the Aftermath Foundation and are dissatisfied, just ask for it back. Unlike scientology, we will return it gladly. But of course, you have given none, just &#8220;stand on the sidelines and poke fun,&#8221; with thinly veiled barbs.</p>
<p>Finally, and sadly, it is my belief there will be no next time as far as Clearwater goes &#8212; this was their chance to change the course of events. The apathy will grow, and downtown Clearwater will be left to the cult.</p>
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		By: Helfreid Weber		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 16:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463059&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course I recall the the broader ASC (Anti Scientology Cult).

My concern is that when asked what happened in the Clearwater Byelection, there is no response. Mr. Rinder remains silent.

If you recall, Mr. Rinder posted an edition of this blog asking people to send money to support Aaron Leven-Smith in is attempt to win that election. But he clearly lost that election and despite all the comments leading up to the day of the election, I was very surprised and disappointed that Mr. Rinder had nothing at all to say about the election once the results were announced.

IMO, something smells bad about that. I must admit to being disappointed.

I can understand how people can call other people &quot;trolls&quot; when they just stand on the sidelines and poke fun at the mistakes and silly things that cult members do.

But when they are engaged in serious endeavours - like trying to win an election, I don&#039;t understand how foundations like The Aftermath Foundation asks for our money and accepts our money. But has nothing whatsoever to say when the election is lost.

I would expect some kind of reasoned analysis as to why the election was lost and how they might try to use different strategies to read the next election.

Personally, I feel discouraged in trying to help their candidates win these elections if they cannot eve take the time to discuss the reasons they lost and the strategies that may be employed in the next attempt.

Moreover, I would like to ask some questions about what happened to the money we donated to support their candidates winning this election and what they might do next time to try and get some candidates elected next time.

Somehow, Something just smells rotten in Denmark.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463059">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Of course I recall the the broader ASC (Anti Scientology Cult).</p>
<p>My concern is that when asked what happened in the Clearwater Byelection, there is no response. Mr. Rinder remains silent.</p>
<p>If you recall, Mr. Rinder posted an edition of this blog asking people to send money to support Aaron Leven-Smith in is attempt to win that election. But he clearly lost that election and despite all the comments leading up to the day of the election, I was very surprised and disappointed that Mr. Rinder had nothing at all to say about the election once the results were announced.</p>
<p>IMO, something smells bad about that. I must admit to being disappointed.</p>
<p>I can understand how people can call other people &#8220;trolls&#8221; when they just stand on the sidelines and poke fun at the mistakes and silly things that cult members do.</p>
<p>But when they are engaged in serious endeavours &#8211; like trying to win an election, I don&#8217;t understand how foundations like The Aftermath Foundation asks for our money and accepts our money. But has nothing whatsoever to say when the election is lost.</p>
<p>I would expect some kind of reasoned analysis as to why the election was lost and how they might try to use different strategies to read the next election.</p>
<p>Personally, I feel discouraged in trying to help their candidates win these elections if they cannot eve take the time to discuss the reasons they lost and the strategies that may be employed in the next attempt.</p>
<p>Moreover, I would like to ask some questions about what happened to the money we donated to support their candidates winning this election and what they might do next time to try and get some candidates elected next time.</p>
<p>Somehow, Something just smells rotten in Denmark.</p>
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		By: Balletlady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Balletlady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With the toilet paper shortage, you might find several of these brochures in home bathrooms.]]></description>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 13:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-462986&quot;&gt;Helfreid Weber III&lt;/a&gt;.

Aaron&#039;s personal political loss is inconsequential, unless you believe in conspiracy theories.  Who says he&#039;s Mike&#039;s &#039;candidate&#039;?  Was his opponent &#039;DM&#039;s candidate&#039;?

Now, scientologists always run from addressings serious issues, like Scientology&#039;s shrinkage, and what&#039;s really going on with their desperate attempts to make a last stand in Clearwater by sneakily and deviously buying up properties.  Instead it&#039;s insane repetition of big lies like &#039;expansion&#039;. 

As an example, someone pointed out the other day that Scientology is shrinking so fast that over half the missions in the US closed between 2013 and 2019.  And the CofS is so mired in incompetence and dysfunction that they haven&#039;t been able to even update their website listings of missions since 2019 - they still list places that have been closed for years, and then also we don&#039;t even know how many more have failed in the last 3 years.

And they aren&#039;t actually honest with members about what&#039;s going on, are they?  Instead the staff and members are kept in the dark like mushrooms, and occasionally sent out to do dirty work and try to smear others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-462986">Helfreid Weber III</a>.</p>
<p>Aaron&#8217;s personal political loss is inconsequential, unless you believe in conspiracy theories.  Who says he&#8217;s Mike&#8217;s &#8216;candidate&#8217;?  Was his opponent &#8216;DM&#8217;s candidate&#8217;?</p>
<p>Now, scientologists always run from addressings serious issues, like Scientology&#8217;s shrinkage, and what&#8217;s really going on with their desperate attempts to make a last stand in Clearwater by sneakily and deviously buying up properties.  Instead it&#8217;s insane repetition of big lies like &#8216;expansion&#8217;. </p>
<p>As an example, someone pointed out the other day that Scientology is shrinking so fast that over half the missions in the US closed between 2013 and 2019.  And the CofS is so mired in incompetence and dysfunction that they haven&#8217;t been able to even update their website listings of missions since 2019 &#8211; they still list places that have been closed for years, and then also we don&#8217;t even know how many more have failed in the last 3 years.</p>
<p>And they aren&#8217;t actually honest with members about what&#8217;s going on, are they?  Instead the staff and members are kept in the dark like mushrooms, and occasionally sent out to do dirty work and try to smear others.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463059&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s unlikely that Helfried reads replies, but I&#039;m feeding back to him/her what he/she wants to hear. That&#039;s how you compromise or at least reach some common understanding. Communication is the universal solvent and all that. :-))]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-463059">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unlikely that Helfried reads replies, but I&#8217;m feeding back to him/her what he/she wants to hear. That&#8217;s how you compromise or at least reach some common understanding. Communication is the universal solvent and all that. :-))</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-462986&quot;&gt;Helfreid Weber III&lt;/a&gt;.

Helfried - I affectionately regard this blog as &quot;The Daily Pile-On&quot;. It&#039;s part of the broader ASC (Anti Scientology Cult). You recall that, don&#039;t you?

from www.dictionary.com

pile-on

noun

the action of followers who join a hostile group in harshly criticizing or judging a less dominant group or individual, sometimes gloating over that group’s or person&#039;s defeat or diminished standing (often used attributively):

&quot;Long after the merciless baiting ceased to be funny, her critics continued to join the pile-on.
Social media encourages a kind of pile-on mentality that is very unforgiving of mistakes and flaws.&quot;
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You might agree that the current CoS has a rather &quot;diminished standing&quot; these days?

I&#039;m outa here - Lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/big-time-dissemination-in-vancouver/#comment-462986">Helfreid Weber III</a>.</p>
<p>Helfried &#8211; I affectionately regard this blog as &#8220;The Daily Pile-On&#8221;. It&#8217;s part of the broader ASC (Anti Scientology Cult). You recall that, don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>from <a href="http://www.dictionary.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dictionary.com</a></p>
<p>pile-on</p>
<p>noun</p>
<p>the action of followers who join a hostile group in harshly criticizing or judging a less dominant group or individual, sometimes gloating over that group’s or person&#8217;s defeat or diminished standing (often used attributively):</p>
<p>&#8220;Long after the merciless baiting ceased to be funny, her critics continued to join the pile-on.<br />
Social media encourages a kind of pile-on mentality that is very unforgiving of mistakes and flaws.&#8221;<br />
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<p>You might agree that the current CoS has a rather &#8220;diminished standing&#8221; these days?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m outa here &#8211; Lol</p>
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