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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58720</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2014 03:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58587&quot;&gt;Gus Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

Ron and/or DM had an answer for that, Gus.  &quot;Competence is above case gain.&quot;  And I&quot;ve seen so many SO use that as a Service Fac to make it OK for them not to get their training and processing that they were promised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58587">Gus Cox</a>.</p>
<p>Ron and/or DM had an answer for that, Gus.  &#8220;Competence is above case gain.&#8221;  And I&#8221;ve seen so many SO use that as a Service Fac to make it OK for them not to get their training and processing that they were promised.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2014 04:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Every time I read &quot;Clear the Planet&quot; I can&#039;t help thinking, &quot;How the hell are going to clear the planet if you can&#039;t even clear the fucking Sea Org?&quot;  

I mean, seriously.  The SO is the least-trained, least-processed group of &quot;Scientologists.&quot;  Maybe start turning them into actual Scientologists first.  Gradients, you know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I read &#8220;Clear the Planet&#8221; I can&#8217;t help thinking, &#8220;How the hell are going to clear the planet if you can&#8217;t even clear the fucking Sea Org?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I mean, seriously.  The SO is the least-trained, least-processed group of &#8220;Scientologists.&#8221;  Maybe start turning them into actual Scientologists first.  Gradients, you know.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2014 04:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Delphi Academy is allowing private functions on their premises?  Maybe because it&#039;s a day school (The Delphian School is boarding), but this still seems odd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delphi Academy is allowing private functions on their premises?  Maybe because it&#8217;s a day school (The Delphian School is boarding), but this still seems odd.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2014 04:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting, Joshua.  AFAIK, &quot;Freedom&quot; mag is not really a periodical.  It&#039;s something the &quot;church&quot; puts out as needed, when needed, for propaganda purposes.  It doesn&#039;t come out every month, or anything.  I think the last issue may have been the one with all the bitter defrocked apostates on the cover and that was some time ago.  

Apparently, with this issue, the &quot;church&quot; is trying to show that it is doing some kind of useful public service campaign.  The &quot;church&quot; is trying to show it cares.  

Of course, we know the &quot;church&quot; is full of shit, but they still think that people believe things in books because &quot;Ron Said So.&quot;  So they put shit in print and expect people to believe it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Joshua.  AFAIK, &#8220;Freedom&#8221; mag is not really a periodical.  It&#8217;s something the &#8220;church&#8221; puts out as needed, when needed, for propaganda purposes.  It doesn&#8217;t come out every month, or anything.  I think the last issue may have been the one with all the bitter defrocked apostates on the cover and that was some time ago.  </p>
<p>Apparently, with this issue, the &#8220;church&#8221; is trying to show that it is doing some kind of useful public service campaign.  The &#8220;church&#8221; is trying to show it cares.  </p>
<p>Of course, we know the &#8220;church&#8221; is full of shit, but they still think that people believe things in books because &#8220;Ron Said So.&#8221;  So they put shit in print and expect people to believe it.</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2014 00:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58558&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

New ideal toilet paper with DM&#039;s picture on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58558">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>New ideal toilet paper with DM&#8217;s picture on it.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58307&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Laughing. Calm down Aqua - your TRs are going out - ha! Go and sit on a wooden bench for a while. We&#039;ve had Ideal door knobs so why not chairs?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58307">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Laughing. Calm down Aqua &#8211; your TRs are going out &#8211; ha! Go and sit on a wooden bench for a while. We&#8217;ve had Ideal door knobs so why not chairs?</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58306&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine - I don&#039;t recall one HCOB which states that either. No, I think it was a &quot;Directive&quot; from somewhere, but as you say I and all my peers did our hard TRs on hard chairs, not because of plan but because that was all the Org could afford. One would think now with &quot;Ideal Orgs&quot; that they would give auditors and students more comfortable &quot;ideal&quot; chairs. Or is part of the pass test now that one has to sit on ground glass or barbed wire - that is the same level of stupidity (or evil actually)? But I would have loved a more comfortable chair to have done so nevertheless. Most auditors I know arrange their chairs with a cushion or the chair itself is comfortable etc. - they would be fools not to. What I thought was insane was someone taking the time and trouble to try and enforce this nonsense - no one is going to audit in an armchair that we know but some fool stating that auditors should learn TRs on hard chairs is just well, actually I can&#039;t really describe it! Ha!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58306">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine &#8211; I don&#8217;t recall one HCOB which states that either. No, I think it was a &#8220;Directive&#8221; from somewhere, but as you say I and all my peers did our hard TRs on hard chairs, not because of plan but because that was all the Org could afford. One would think now with &#8220;Ideal Orgs&#8221; that they would give auditors and students more comfortable &#8220;ideal&#8221; chairs. Or is part of the pass test now that one has to sit on ground glass or barbed wire &#8211; that is the same level of stupidity (or evil actually)? But I would have loved a more comfortable chair to have done so nevertheless. Most auditors I know arrange their chairs with a cushion or the chair itself is comfortable etc. &#8211; they would be fools not to. What I thought was insane was someone taking the time and trouble to try and enforce this nonsense &#8211; no one is going to audit in an armchair that we know but some fool stating that auditors should learn TRs on hard chairs is just well, actually I can&#8217;t really describe it! Ha!</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58245&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Dave &#039;The Plague&#039; Miscavige, a dose of him is like strychnine - a little goes a long way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58245">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Dave &#8216;The Plague&#8217; Miscavige, a dose of him is like strychnine &#8211; a little goes a long way.</p>
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		By: Carcha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carcha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58485&quot;&gt;Espiritu&lt;/a&gt;.

Espiritu - Thanks - it&#039;s nice to hear a voice of sanity and hope. Culturally, the progress of Scn as a religion has some parallels to the progress of Christianity. We&#039;re just stuck in the counter-surge of the reactive mind, or slow understanding, or something like that, I guess. I think Scientology will come to be accepted for exactly what LRH said it is. It&#039;s just going to take some time. 

If people have trouble doing their taxes and taking out garbage and handling Monday mornings ....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58485">Espiritu</a>.</p>
<p>Espiritu &#8211; Thanks &#8211; it&#8217;s nice to hear a voice of sanity and hope. Culturally, the progress of Scn as a religion has some parallels to the progress of Christianity. We&#8217;re just stuck in the counter-surge of the reactive mind, or slow understanding, or something like that, I guess. I think Scientology will come to be accepted for exactly what LRH said it is. It&#8217;s just going to take some time. </p>
<p>If people have trouble doing their taxes and taking out garbage and handling Monday mornings &#8230;.</p>
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		By: Cat Daddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cat Daddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58311&quot;&gt;sara&lt;/a&gt;.

“You can get a much better fee — I tell you as auditors quite frankly — it&#039;s much easier to get a great deal of money out of somebody who&#039;s on a down spiral into becoming MEST than it is to get money out of somebody who is going on an up spiral toward becoming theta.”

―L. Ron Hubbard]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/blowing-smoke-up-valleys-ass/#comment-58311">sara</a>.</p>
<p>“You can get a much better fee — I tell you as auditors quite frankly — it&#8217;s much easier to get a great deal of money out of somebody who&#8217;s on a down spiral into becoming MEST than it is to get money out of somebody who is going on an up spiral toward becoming theta.”</p>
<p>―L. Ron Hubbard</p>
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