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		By: Mark Kamran		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Kamran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497293&quot;&gt;Mat pesch&lt;/a&gt;.

<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44c.png" alt="👌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Mental slavery by conditioning your mind : to see and hear  what &quot;they &quot; want to...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497293">Mat pesch</a>.</p>
<p>👌 Mental slavery by conditioning your mind : to see and hear  what &#8220;they &#8221; want to&#8230;</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 02:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497302&quot;&gt;Todd Cray&lt;/a&gt;.

Todd,

He&#039;s what we in Australia call a fuckwit and arse wipe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497302">Todd Cray</a>.</p>
<p>Todd,</p>
<p>He&#8217;s what we in Australia call a fuckwit and arse wipe.</p>
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		By: Nacham Yuzkovsky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nacham Yuzkovsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 00:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497285&quot;&gt;otherles&lt;/a&gt;.

The 1962 version is generally rated much higher than the 2004 version.

You can see the ratings for both films on the IMDB site. 

I doubt the 2004 version would cause hardly anyone to laugh at the endiing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497285">otherles</a>.</p>
<p>The 1962 version is generally rated much higher than the 2004 version.</p>
<p>You can see the ratings for both films on the IMDB site. </p>
<p>I doubt the 2004 version would cause hardly anyone to laugh at the endiing.</p>
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		By: Todd Cray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Cray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 22:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[His bio is fascinating: &quot;Rodger Clark. Contractor, history buff, compulsive learner, currently in recovery from authoritarian education.&quot;

I can certainly relate to the &quot;history buff&quot; bit as I have earned two degrees in the subject (on two continents for a bit of added diversity). Naturally, along with that came reading hundreds of books, archival research of primary sources, dozens of papers composed and read, a thesis and the defense of it before my academic betters. And my passion remains: To this day I can&#039;t watch or read something of historical interest without delving into doing background research of my own. Even something contemporary as this blog usually sends me off into doing my own investigation. Rabbit holes, here I come! Sure, that&#039;s how a &quot;compulsive learner&quot; rolls. They don&#039;t just talk; they do.

As every &quot;history buff&quot; or other &quot;compulsive learner&quot; knows, rule #1 is: You never ever trust a single source to hold &quot;the truth.&quot; Rule #2: You consider an argument critically, i.e. whether the author managed to substantiate the point they claimed they would. Whether the sources were interpreted correctly. Whether there are any impermissible leaps made in the arguments, any logical fallacies present or any overreach occurred. Whether the author displays bias or even seeks to manipulate. And most importantly, whether the author &quot;shows their work&quot;, meaning provides sources and explains their method to where others can check their work.

I think it&#039;s fairly easy to imagine what happens when a &quot;history buff&quot; applies these mere basics to hubbard&#039;s writings, let alone biography. When they look in vein where elron &quot;shows his work&quot;, even just once,  or provides evidence that he even spent a day on what would qualify as &quot;research&quot; in anyone&#039;s eyes but his. When said buff gets a few texts that were not authored by elron or questions his cult hagiography. Or when they set off in search of &quot;clears&quot;, &quot;OTs&quot; or even seek to substantiate the &quot;millions&quot; of cult members. Not only will they come up dry but Ethics is sure to step in and issue life-changing threats and ultimatums.

In that light, it&#039;s more than a little puzzling what this &quot;history buff&quot;/&quot;compulsive learner&quot; means when he claims to be &quot;in recovery from authoritarian education.&quot; He&#039;s allowed to read just one author, obligated to venerate him as &quot;Source&quot; and never ask any critical questions or seek corroborating data. The internet or independent reviews of hubbard, his bio and his &quot;work&quot; are forbidden territory. Where this crosses the line from mere narrow-mindedness and cultishness to &quot;authoritarian&quot; is where he himself as well as others are compelled to report on any doubts of elron&#039;s absolute wisdom he may have. Where he&#039;s willing to endure discipline and punishment for such doubts.

If this is &quot;recovery from authoritarian education&quot; it boggles the imagination what he endured before discovering the &quot;recovery&quot; scientology is offering. A North Korean gulag? This kind of &quot;recovery&quot; sounds like permanently moving into a crack house in order to &quot;recover&quot; from compulsive overeating.

The only thing credible about this guy&#039;s bio is the &quot;contractor&quot; part. And I have no doubt who benefits from his business&#039;s proceeds more than he (or his family) does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His bio is fascinating: &#8220;Rodger Clark. Contractor, history buff, compulsive learner, currently in recovery from authoritarian education.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can certainly relate to the &#8220;history buff&#8221; bit as I have earned two degrees in the subject (on two continents for a bit of added diversity). Naturally, along with that came reading hundreds of books, archival research of primary sources, dozens of papers composed and read, a thesis and the defense of it before my academic betters. And my passion remains: To this day I can&#8217;t watch or read something of historical interest without delving into doing background research of my own. Even something contemporary as this blog usually sends me off into doing my own investigation. Rabbit holes, here I come! Sure, that&#8217;s how a &#8220;compulsive learner&#8221; rolls. They don&#8217;t just talk; they do.</p>
<p>As every &#8220;history buff&#8221; or other &#8220;compulsive learner&#8221; knows, rule #1 is: You never ever trust a single source to hold &#8220;the truth.&#8221; Rule #2: You consider an argument critically, i.e. whether the author managed to substantiate the point they claimed they would. Whether the sources were interpreted correctly. Whether there are any impermissible leaps made in the arguments, any logical fallacies present or any overreach occurred. Whether the author displays bias or even seeks to manipulate. And most importantly, whether the author &#8220;shows their work&#8221;, meaning provides sources and explains their method to where others can check their work.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fairly easy to imagine what happens when a &#8220;history buff&#8221; applies these mere basics to hubbard&#8217;s writings, let alone biography. When they look in vein where elron &#8220;shows his work&#8221;, even just once,  or provides evidence that he even spent a day on what would qualify as &#8220;research&#8221; in anyone&#8217;s eyes but his. When said buff gets a few texts that were not authored by elron or questions his cult hagiography. Or when they set off in search of &#8220;clears&#8221;, &#8220;OTs&#8221; or even seek to substantiate the &#8220;millions&#8221; of cult members. Not only will they come up dry but Ethics is sure to step in and issue life-changing threats and ultimatums.</p>
<p>In that light, it&#8217;s more than a little puzzling what this &#8220;history buff&#8221;/&#8221;compulsive learner&#8221; means when he claims to be &#8220;in recovery from authoritarian education.&#8221; He&#8217;s allowed to read just one author, obligated to venerate him as &#8220;Source&#8221; and never ask any critical questions or seek corroborating data. The internet or independent reviews of hubbard, his bio and his &#8220;work&#8221; are forbidden territory. Where this crosses the line from mere narrow-mindedness and cultishness to &#8220;authoritarian&#8221; is where he himself as well as others are compelled to report on any doubts of elron&#8217;s absolute wisdom he may have. Where he&#8217;s willing to endure discipline and punishment for such doubts.</p>
<p>If this is &#8220;recovery from authoritarian education&#8221; it boggles the imagination what he endured before discovering the &#8220;recovery&#8221; scientology is offering. A North Korean gulag? This kind of &#8220;recovery&#8221; sounds like permanently moving into a crack house in order to &#8220;recover&#8221; from compulsive overeating.</p>
<p>The only thing credible about this guy&#8217;s bio is the &#8220;contractor&#8221; part. And I have no doubt who benefits from his business&#8217;s proceeds more than he (or his family) does.</p>
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		By: Todd Cray		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497297</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Thus, the term “brainwashing” can be safely swept into the same pile of other vagaries as casting spells, lucky charms, signs and omens.&quot;

He forgot a few vagaries: &quot;clearing&quot;, &quot;tech&quot;, &quot;operating thetan&quot;, &quot;body thetan&quot; or &quot;homo novis.&quot; And there&#039;re plenty more where these came from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thus, the term “brainwashing” can be safely swept into the same pile of other vagaries as casting spells, lucky charms, signs and omens.&#8221;</p>
<p>He forgot a few vagaries: &#8220;clearing&#8221;, &#8220;tech&#8221;, &#8220;operating thetan&#8221;, &#8220;body thetan&#8221; or &#8220;homo novis.&#8221; And there&#8217;re plenty more where these came from.</p>
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		By: Mat pesch		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mat pesch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember multiple times when OSA briefed all the Sea Org members at Flag about how it was ridiculous for people to call Scientology a cult.  The argument made was that a cult is a closed group and of course Scientology is open to everyone (willing to submit to it&#039;s information control).  We didn&#039;t know what really made a group a cult so we missed the obvious.  All cults have information control as a central trait.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember multiple times when OSA briefed all the Sea Org members at Flag about how it was ridiculous for people to call Scientology a cult.  The argument made was that a cult is a closed group and of course Scientology is open to everyone (willing to submit to it&#8217;s information control).  We didn&#8217;t know what really made a group a cult so we missed the obvious.  All cults have information control as a central trait.</p>
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		By: otherles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[otherles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 20:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497260&quot;&gt;Nacham Yuzkovsky&lt;/a&gt;.

The first (1962) version.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497260">Nacham Yuzkovsky</a>.</p>
<p>The first (1962) version.</p>
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		By: ExScnStaff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ExScnStaff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s ironically beautiful about these is that a big control mechanism of Scn is making words mean different things, not what the average folk think they mean.  If they can just convince their own that it is not brainwashing, because brainwashing doesn&#039;t mean what those people say, somehow they think they&#039;ll come out the other end with clean brains.

Take away the word &quot;brainwashing&quot;, though, and we can use manipulation, coercion, control, peer pressure, and many other words to describe the continuous process used to create followers who cannot challenge or question or think for themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s ironically beautiful about these is that a big control mechanism of Scn is making words mean different things, not what the average folk think they mean.  If they can just convince their own that it is not brainwashing, because brainwashing doesn&#8217;t mean what those people say, somehow they think they&#8217;ll come out the other end with clean brains.</p>
<p>Take away the word &#8220;brainwashing&#8221;, though, and we can use manipulation, coercion, control, peer pressure, and many other words to describe the continuous process used to create followers who cannot challenge or question or think for themselves.</p>
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		By: Nacham Yuzkovsky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497245&quot;&gt;otherles&lt;/a&gt;.

There were two versions of The Manchurian Candidate - one from 2004 starring Denzel Washington &#038; Meryl Streep and another from 1962 (in B&#038;W) starring Frank Sinatra and Angela Lansberry. To which one are you referring?

I am asking because I have seen both films several times and have some strong feelings about the differences between them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/brainwashed-according-to-scientology/#comment-497245">otherles</a>.</p>
<p>There were two versions of The Manchurian Candidate &#8211; one from 2004 starring Denzel Washington &amp; Meryl Streep and another from 1962 (in B&amp;W) starring Frank Sinatra and Angela Lansberry. To which one are you referring?</p>
<p>I am asking because I have seen both films several times and have some strong feelings about the differences between them.</p>
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		By: Fred G. Haseney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred G. Haseney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometime during my 37 years in scientology, my idea of the human brain resembled STAND author Rodger Clark&#039;s instructions for &quot;washing a brain.&quot;

The human body is, I deduced as a scientologist, nothing more than a lump of clay, and would sit rather lifeless until a thetan came along. So, if only a thetan could think and act accordingly, what good is a brain?

For washing, what else!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometime during my 37 years in scientology, my idea of the human brain resembled STAND author Rodger Clark&#8217;s instructions for &#8220;washing a brain.&#8221;</p>
<p>The human body is, I deduced as a scientologist, nothing more than a lump of clay, and would sit rather lifeless until a thetan came along. So, if only a thetan could think and act accordingly, what good is a brain?</p>
<p>For washing, what else!</p>
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