Steve – “the Minus Touch” – says it all !! ( I really enjoyed that one!)

always ask these questions to find probabilities: Is it a distraction from something else? If not, what could be gained? People, allies, money, Power? In this case it’s Power. NOI is connected better than any mob . A little dono and D has a side door entrance to any political need in most countries. What he has blindly gambled on is other the level at which these folks play and may find himself in forced exterior state soon. Would be best for him if he just re-fied everything and headed for the hills before thinking that he can become the Monsanto of the psych world.

Maurice Muhammad, Thank you for your question and blessings to you as well. Auditing absolutely works, and it is possible to learn to be an auditor and not become a Scientologist. People have been doing it for 60 years. In fact, when Scientology was announced many people left then and formed Dianetics groups, some of which are still in existence. They never became Scientologists, but still use Dianetics. The famous writer, A. E. van Vogt was the president of one such organization called the California Association of Dianetic Auditors. I’m not promoting them (I don’t really know anything about them, good or bad) but just giving a real life example that lots of people learn Dianetics and never become Scientologists.

That said, it is true that many people who learn Dianetics do become Scientologists.

When Scientology was first announced, it was not a religion. LRH called it a science of life, a study of knowledge in the fullest sense. It is most clearly described as a spiritual philosophy. However, since it deals with the human spirit it does qualify legally as a religion, in the same sense that Buddhism is a religion. Scientology because a religion, officially, more as a defense against attacks. In the early ’50s and for decades to come, psychology was seen as a vested interest tried to gain control of the subject and especially the training of auditors. They wanted to be the authority on how auditors were trained and they wanted to be the certification body. Of course that would also enable them to dictate the curriculum auditors would have to study, and that LRH felt would have destroyed the ability of the subject to work (if it was alloyed with another unworkable practice). And psychology in those days (along with psychiatry) was significantly more primitive than it is today.

In response, Scientology became a religion. It qualified legally. But unlike most religions, Scientology does not teach about God or Jesus. In fact, the concept of Scientology is closer to saying that God lies within us all, or more clearly stated, Scientology states that every being was originally god-like, but over eons has slipped down the hill and arrived into a low state. It is the mission of Scientology to restore spiritual abilities.

Scientology was a direct offspring of Dianetics. Dianetics exposed what the mind really was made of — mental image pictures. The inevitable question arose “What’s looking at the pictures?” — some soft of “mind’s eye” that enabled a person to see mental pictures with eyes closed. That proved to be the human soul. So in Scientology it is taught a person is not their body, they are a soul living in a body. This answers the age old question, are we spirits having a human experience, or humans having a spiritual experience?

Anyone In the Nation of Islam is of course warmly welcomed to partake of any or all of Hubbard’s discoveries. It isn’t an “all or nothing” proposition. Our mission as Independent Scientologists is to enable people to take whatever parts they want, because or mission is to help people. We do not want to convert people. We want to make the technology available to anyone, because we believe that will create a better world.

The problem here is that after Mr. Hubbard died in 1986, a man took over the Church by somewhat violent coup. He proved himself to be what psychologists call a sociopathic or psychopathic personality type — a human being without guilt for anything he does, no remorse, no love. Such people are master chameleons and can act be very charismatic. It was that very charisma that fooled so many Scientologists into thinking he was had personal power. But it wasn’t power, it was just utter callousness. When a person is entirely free of guilt, he treats people in ways that most people aren’t familiar with. And so it’s easy to mistake that personality type for something else. And unfortunately, the guy in charge of the Church today, David Miscavige, is a master at his craft. I mean he is really gifted in an evil way.

So our message is, yes, definitely go after the tech. Learn and use it because it will save lives. But do it with your eyes open. As one friend of mine said, “There’s a wolf in the hen house.”

100% correct, Carcha. The oldest and most fundamental formula for auditing is auditor + pc is greater than the pc’s charge. What you are writing about aligns with the A to E steps where LRH says after a person leaves a suppressive group he or she should retrain since many of the concepts learned in the suppressive atmosphere will have been corrupted or alloyed. Whether the individual retrains or reviews or retreads — whatever — for myself this has been a joyous experience to be able to blow the false data (of GAT, etc.) and duplicate the tech in a pure form. This especially applies to Ethics because that was THE primary tech DM and his supporters corrupted. Corrupt Ethics tech was the inroad used by The Virus to then corrupt everything else. False accusations of “You’re out ethics!” “She has withholds!” “He is an SP!” “You’ve got crimes!” etc. were how DM overwhelmed each person who stood in his way. And then he went to work on Tech and Policy, refining it to a point where it became lethal to remain in the Church.

ROTFL

Gosh, hadn’t even thought of that. That must have had huge impact at org level.

As-Salam Alaikum, Maurice Muhammad. And thank you for joining our discussion. I, for one, respect the NOI and recognize what it has done to lift many African-Americans. Yes, auditing does work. And “Book One” Dianetic auditing as described in Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health is capable of producing a Clear when administered correctly. It can certainly alleviate much psychic anguish and pain and raise one’s responsibility level for one’s life. As such, it can help achieve the objective of Minister Farrakhan’s message at the Million Man March.

From what I’ve heard from Minister Farrakhan, he wants members of NOI to avail themselves of these spiritual counseling techniques and looks upon the Church of Scientology only as the place for a cadre of NOI personnel to obtain the training necessary to then deliver Dianetic auditing to other NOI members – just as if they were taking a course at a local college or university. From what you’ve described, it appears that this is being done as a public service to the NOI in the same manner as the NOI will be providing Dianetic auditing to its members as a public service.

Theoretically, Scientology is a pan-denominational, non-sectarian religion that welcomes people of all faiths. It does not encroach upon or attempt to define what we call the “Eighth Dynamic” beyond stating that the Eighth Dynamic represents God of infinity. There are Scientologists of all denominations – Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, etc. Accordingly, some NOI members may elect as individuals to also become Scientologists as well, and even join C of S staff without having to “convert” or to abandon Islam.

Since Hubbard’s death, however, our Church has been usurped internally by a sociopath who has corrupted the organization and perverted its application of Hubbard’s organizational and spiritual counseling methodologies as detailed in this thread, particularly by Thoughtful above. That being the case, highly trained veterans of Scientology with decades of experience in correctly applying Dianetics and Scientology under Hubbard have distanced themselves from the formal, centralized organization and formed an independent movement to ensure the core values of Scientology and the workability of its methodologies are maintained. My concern is that NOI leadership should be fully apprised of the whole picture, maintain vigilance and act accordingly.

Maurice — thankyou for writing.

My answer to you is yes, auditing absolutely works.

But I believe anyone that tells you in the church of Scientology that you are only training to become an auditor but not to become a Scientologist is decieving you. How can people be working to bring new people into the Church of Scientology to be indoctrinated into the subject and then persuaded to pay more and more money to the church without them being a Scientologist?

My objection (and I cannot speak for all those who read or post on this blog) is with the management of the church. The leader of the Scientology church, David Miscavige is a cruel and greedy man. The technology of auditing works very effectively when properly used. If you are providing auditing for free then you are more what is known as “Independent Scientology”. But believe me, just a short search of the internet will show you that Miscavige’s church does not take kindly to those who want to practice auditing and not pay his church what they consider to be their dues.

I hope this has answered your question.