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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-582614&quot;&gt;Maddie&lt;/a&gt;.

Radical Church of Scientology. I think the expression was coined by Marty Rathbun]]></description>
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<p>Radical Church of Scientology. I think the expression was coined by Marty Rathbun</p>
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		By: Maddie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 23:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: AnonIndie		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-36488</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-35968&quot;&gt;AnonIndie&lt;/a&gt;.

Bob Dobbs;  there was no reply button listed on the bottom of your post, but I&#039;d be happy to send you my wins by separate email.  Have you done the Grades? You may contact me at soothseeker@hushmail.com]]></description>
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<p>Bob Dobbs;  there was no reply button listed on the bottom of your post, but I&#8217;d be happy to send you my wins by separate email.  Have you done the Grades? You may contact me at <a href="mailto:soothseeker@hushmail.com">soothseeker@hushmail.com</a></p>
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		By: josephlesanglier		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-36405</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-35940&quot;&gt;Chris Shelton aka Galactic Patrol&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Chris and Leonore, 
Since out I passed my flying pilot brevet. I tell you that my instructor was &quot;using Scientology&quot;. Of course he is not Scientologist but I could see with good life Reality what it was to be a coach, a good one indeed LRH would be proud off! No need of GAT for that. I could observe being out &quot;in the wog&quot;, that one recognize basic Scientology Policy into everything that works well. The company I am working into is lead by great experienced execs. They have ARC and are not reasonable and so on. One could do a plus point eval on it. No kidding.
I had the same experience as you my friends and had to get through to go out of the implanted thinking. It&#039;s not even a 3rd dynamic engram but a full blown implant with painful ARC locks --Enforced and Inhibited A,R and C. We had to obey without being able to reject the thoughts and emotions and efforts. We had to accept the pattern, practically a GPM.
My non scientology wife went to the org for Dianetics training (before I new the Indies), she loved Dianetics and the sup, but hated Scientologists as they were all the same. Incredible. She had seen things I could not perceive. Now I know why.

You know what? For fun, we should make a history book with the important facts. I am sure this would be interesting. In addition I am working on an Eval of Scientology. I just feel a bit alone and i am sure this could be a fun thing to do. I have already found some interesting underlying outpoints that are close to  the why.

So if anyone gets interested, I am ready for a good fun. Because real Scientology is fun,
Joseph]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-35940">Chris Shelton aka Galactic Patrol</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Chris and Leonore,<br />
Since out I passed my flying pilot brevet. I tell you that my instructor was &#8220;using Scientology&#8221;. Of course he is not Scientologist but I could see with good life Reality what it was to be a coach, a good one indeed LRH would be proud off! No need of GAT for that. I could observe being out &#8220;in the wog&#8221;, that one recognize basic Scientology Policy into everything that works well. The company I am working into is lead by great experienced execs. They have ARC and are not reasonable and so on. One could do a plus point eval on it. No kidding.<br />
I had the same experience as you my friends and had to get through to go out of the implanted thinking. It&#8217;s not even a 3rd dynamic engram but a full blown implant with painful ARC locks &#8211;Enforced and Inhibited A,R and C. We had to obey without being able to reject the thoughts and emotions and efforts. We had to accept the pattern, practically a GPM.<br />
My non scientology wife went to the org for Dianetics training (before I new the Indies), she loved Dianetics and the sup, but hated Scientologists as they were all the same. Incredible. She had seen things I could not perceive. Now I know why.</p>
<p>You know what? For fun, we should make a history book with the important facts. I am sure this would be interesting. In addition I am working on an Eval of Scientology. I just feel a bit alone and i am sure this could be a fun thing to do. I have already found some interesting underlying outpoints that are close to  the why.</p>
<p>So if anyone gets interested, I am ready for a good fun. Because real Scientology is fun,<br />
Joseph</p>
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		By: josephlesanglier		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-35902&quot;&gt;Chris Shelton aka Galactic Patrol&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello, Chris,
Well we have a similar story. Incredible how we got that far. 

I am right now making an &quot;Eval&quot; on Scientology. This is a big word as I am not Evaluator trained. I am just using the data and pattern of Scientology Handbook. I am actually a Dianeticist which I consider a marvellous subject. All of the materials from 48 to end of 51 are really a wonder. I love in particular the subject of Logic. This is really cool. I&#039;d like to make a team as I already found interesting points.

Look at this one:

May be you read the chapter &quot;Emotional Curve&quot; in Advanced Procedure and Axioms. You have a downward curve -- a sudden drop in tone-- and then you have the upward curve -- a raise in tone. The last helps you find an ally. Ok?

Now look at that. DM is of course an ally on the 3rd Dynamic. He is the heroe, he &quot;salvaged Scientology and our spiritual freedom&quot;. He is great, he tells the truth, He is the one to help because he is so vital to all of us.&quot;

Do you follow me? Nobody inside is going to look at anything that could make DM wrong. That would be so terrible.

Have you ever had a good strong ally? Well I had one. I got into verbal fights with my wife each time she tried to lower my ally. What she was telling me were facts but I would not see them. I was blind. My ally was right and that&#039;s it. You don&#039;t see anything, man! The ally is always right (this is basic in Dianetics.

Now how come? Well you remember the 80&#039;s? 82 was a real 3rd Dynamic engram. It was a terror time period with the threat of losing Scientology and our hope of Spiritual Freedom. Personnally I was terrified. The issues of that time were terrible. I believe the group was in a full blown Painful Emotional Engram -- a big Secondary. The Management was 1.5. Terrible times. The rule was Enforced and Inhibited Affinity, Reality and Communication -- exactly as per Science of Survival. Very enturbulated times.

Now guess what? The Hero came. First Int Management, and then COB. There was the IRS win and he was the Top Gun Heroe! &quot;SIR... DONE!!!  Gosh what a show. And here we have the tone level of the group going up. The ally is there, communicating, HE SALVAGED US OUR FUTURE OUR FREEDOM FROM ETERNAL PAIN AND OBLIVION;

The guy continues with the show. He must  stay a valid ally.

So only truth will undo the ally.

Why I was thinking of an Eval is that the right data and the right why is like indicating a BPC. During those engramic years so called LRH issues came in, They almost destroyed Scientology. I have quite some data but not all. So my idea of a team of veterans.

Another point which blew my mind the other day is a completely inverted Admin Scale and actually a completely reversed Importances. Now the most important is the &quot;top&quot; ie COB.

Whereas again if you look at Dianetics, the most important was not LRH but the simple people. The guy down in the street. And the next important is the auditor. The &quot;top&quot; is actually the least important.

Anyway I stop there for right now. But if you or other old timers are interested you can join me.

I am not quite sure yet how as I don&#039;t have a secured comm line with hushmail and I don&#039;t know how it works. But already answer me here and we&#039;ll see.

We have a very interesting game and future because we are not under orders. If we consider Dianetics and Scientology as the tools of an artist, well, we have some nice paintings to do as we are free and we can create.

Joseph]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-35902">Chris Shelton aka Galactic Patrol</a>.</p>
<p>Hello, Chris,<br />
Well we have a similar story. Incredible how we got that far. </p>
<p>I am right now making an &#8220;Eval&#8221; on Scientology. This is a big word as I am not Evaluator trained. I am just using the data and pattern of Scientology Handbook. I am actually a Dianeticist which I consider a marvellous subject. All of the materials from 48 to end of 51 are really a wonder. I love in particular the subject of Logic. This is really cool. I&#8217;d like to make a team as I already found interesting points.</p>
<p>Look at this one:</p>
<p>May be you read the chapter &#8220;Emotional Curve&#8221; in Advanced Procedure and Axioms. You have a downward curve &#8212; a sudden drop in tone&#8211; and then you have the upward curve &#8212; a raise in tone. The last helps you find an ally. Ok?</p>
<p>Now look at that. DM is of course an ally on the 3rd Dynamic. He is the heroe, he &#8220;salvaged Scientology and our spiritual freedom&#8221;. He is great, he tells the truth, He is the one to help because he is so vital to all of us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you follow me? Nobody inside is going to look at anything that could make DM wrong. That would be so terrible.</p>
<p>Have you ever had a good strong ally? Well I had one. I got into verbal fights with my wife each time she tried to lower my ally. What she was telling me were facts but I would not see them. I was blind. My ally was right and that&#8217;s it. You don&#8217;t see anything, man! The ally is always right (this is basic in Dianetics.</p>
<p>Now how come? Well you remember the 80&#8217;s? 82 was a real 3rd Dynamic engram. It was a terror time period with the threat of losing Scientology and our hope of Spiritual Freedom. Personnally I was terrified. The issues of that time were terrible. I believe the group was in a full blown Painful Emotional Engram &#8212; a big Secondary. The Management was 1.5. Terrible times. The rule was Enforced and Inhibited Affinity, Reality and Communication &#8212; exactly as per Science of Survival. Very enturbulated times.</p>
<p>Now guess what? The Hero came. First Int Management, and then COB. There was the IRS win and he was the Top Gun Heroe! &#8220;SIR&#8230; DONE!!!  Gosh what a show. And here we have the tone level of the group going up. The ally is there, communicating, HE SALVAGED US OUR FUTURE OUR FREEDOM FROM ETERNAL PAIN AND OBLIVION;</p>
<p>The guy continues with the show. He must  stay a valid ally.</p>
<p>So only truth will undo the ally.</p>
<p>Why I was thinking of an Eval is that the right data and the right why is like indicating a BPC. During those engramic years so called LRH issues came in, They almost destroyed Scientology. I have quite some data but not all. So my idea of a team of veterans.</p>
<p>Another point which blew my mind the other day is a completely inverted Admin Scale and actually a completely reversed Importances. Now the most important is the &#8220;top&#8221; ie COB.</p>
<p>Whereas again if you look at Dianetics, the most important was not LRH but the simple people. The guy down in the street. And the next important is the auditor. The &#8220;top&#8221; is actually the least important.</p>
<p>Anyway I stop there for right now. But if you or other old timers are interested you can join me.</p>
<p>I am not quite sure yet how as I don&#8217;t have a secured comm line with hushmail and I don&#8217;t know how it works. But already answer me here and we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>We have a very interesting game and future because we are not under orders. If we consider Dianetics and Scientology as the tools of an artist, well, we have some nice paintings to do as we are free and we can create.</p>
<p>Joseph</p>
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		By: FOS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Chris, I know you were unhappy. I likened you to Agent Smith from the Matrix. I was on the receiving end of a very squirrel Comm Ev which you chaired when you were at CLO. It was the beginning of the end for me in Scientology. I wasted over half my life giving everything I had, money, time, effort, energy all to have you and a few others look at me like I was a scum and ignore my production record so that you could make a point. How do I feel now? Well, I don&#039;t give a shit really. I know I can&#039;t be touched, spiritually. I&#039;m glad you woke up and aren&#039;t screwing people over anymore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, I know you were unhappy. I likened you to Agent Smith from the Matrix. I was on the receiving end of a very squirrel Comm Ev which you chaired when you were at CLO. It was the beginning of the end for me in Scientology. I wasted over half my life giving everything I had, money, time, effort, energy all to have you and a few others look at me like I was a scum and ignore my production record so that you could make a point. How do I feel now? Well, I don&#8217;t give a shit really. I know I can&#8217;t be touched, spiritually. I&#8217;m glad you woke up and aren&#8217;t screwing people over anymore.</p>
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		By: Anon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I completely share your views.  It took a while of being out of the church, but I have realized that you can&#039;t &quot;be OT&quot; in, anymore (or ever?). 

You don&#039;t own your own life in the church. And that is part of &quot;being OT.&quot; 

My life out of the church the past couple of years have been the happiest, most stable and most affluent of my whole life.  The future actually excites me...all of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely share your views.  It took a while of being out of the church, but I have realized that you can&#8217;t &#8220;be OT&#8221; in, anymore (or ever?). </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t own your own life in the church. And that is part of &#8220;being OT.&#8221; </p>
<p>My life out of the church the past couple of years have been the happiest, most stable and most affluent of my whole life.  The future actually excites me&#8230;all of it.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2014 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-36111&quot;&gt;Bonnie Kittelson&lt;/a&gt;.

Bonnie, I wanted to ask you about a staff member friend of mine who was at Int when you were.  Can you email me at janedoe2@hushmail.com?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chris-shelton-speaks/#comment-36111">Bonnie Kittelson</a>.</p>
<p>Bonnie, I wanted to ask you about a staff member friend of mine who was at Int when you were.  Can you email me at <a href="mailto:janedoe2@hushmail.com">janedoe2@hushmail.com</a>?</p>
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		By: Mary McConnell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Terrific article, Chris. I think there are quite a few SO members who can relate to what you have to say and I hope some will find a way to read it and let it give them food for thought. Very happy you decided to speak up in name. I know it was a big sacrifice but I think living with the truth is much more empowering. Best wishes and hope to see more of your writings here and on ESMB.

Mary McConnell aka AnonyMary]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific article, Chris. I think there are quite a few SO members who can relate to what you have to say and I hope some will find a way to read it and let it give them food for thought. Very happy you decided to speak up in name. I know it was a big sacrifice but I think living with the truth is much more empowering. Best wishes and hope to see more of your writings here and on ESMB.</p>
<p>Mary McConnell aka AnonyMary</p>
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