Yep.

Wow, that right there is a story that illustrates the cold, abattoir-like verbal butchery of a drilled-to-unsympathetic perfection, Hard Sell-competence in the Scientology universe.

Fair enough, and really even more so. Thanks for your participation.

On the Xenu, just realize to us who were there, for decades in most cases of the long term people you even bump into, we did not have the luxury of knowiong Xenu and knowing that Xenu is theoretically even the reason behind “our” “upper levels” OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, so my motive is also from decades of my NOT knowing even what our “religion” was about.

it’s more than just beliefs criticism, it is more fundamental to Scientologists, they are not allowed to know, for sometimes their whole careers on staff, what their upper beliefs are.

And their upper beliefs truly tie it all together in so many ways, not merely to outsiders who think it is making fun of them.

No, it’s beyond that, it’s like the famous Robert Jay Lifton lists out as what are at rock bottom what defines a totalistic self abusing groups.

The troublesome totalistic groups force “information control” to an extreme.

Not knowing what your “religion” is about, and working your staff life for that “religion” and not knowing, that is staggering to some of us personally, to me it was.

So even defining key concepts of upper Scientology is pivotal in the broader sense of outsiders cannot and have not gotten their wits around the beliefs.

So, also, even with these seeming weird beliefs, to me, I could defend them today, were I still a believer in the “soul” which is a fundamental concept in Scientology.

The discussion of any group’s beliefs are truly rock bottom. I can defend Scientology better than Scientologists, and when the moment comes, I can prove that in discusions.

ALL of the negatives, all of the felony abuses which you protest, truly, I applaud you for that, and that is your focus, and ties into what your participation with your decades of protesting, truly thankyou and that’s more than enough.

The above though, re Xenu, would be more for a private discussion, and the Robert Jay Lifton criteria for totalistic groups which abuse their members, and having lived that abuse in the information control point of the Lifton criteria, I can tell you that truly, not knowing the “religion” one lived for 27 years and I’d have gone on working Sea Org had not the abuse internally been so bad. The Hubbard system chews up the staffs, all are blamed. And truly, why I stayed is the delusional hope that the upper levels of Scientology were resulting in spiritual high high abilities. The abuse internally vs the lack of achieving the goals, is what ultimate balanced things for me to get out.

Members can remain unaware of the criticisms that outrage the public, like which you focus on.

In our heads though, were someone to tell us information controlled members about our own “religion” theory which we presumed was noble, but which we had no idea what the spiritual nuts and bolts of our upper religion’s concepts were, might not even jog one to quit. That isn’t even the motive. It’s just the control factor. The information might not even have caused me to quit. In fact even after quitting, learning it, it doesn’t make me game to quit. It’s just not knowing what we all were shooting for. Someone pointing up this defect of information control, would have more jogged me.

More to the Xenu “body-thetans” point is these exorcism techniques don’t produce the “OT” people. Scientology not working , meaning the exorcism not producing “OT” super people, is more the big letdown of wasitng one’s life.

The abuses could be sliced out. In fact many ex high up Scientologist “tech” (auditor quackery and exorcism quackery experts) left and continued, practicing, among themselves, and to other kicked out or quitter public Scientologists, and they carry on non abusively, in just small tiny groups.

The big official movement churns out the big abuses. Smaller groups of quitters who sometimes do talk the full theory of Hubbard’s meaning all the confidential “upper levels” which mostly means the exorcism of “body-thetans” OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 levels of Scientology are at least free to discuss the theory of the subject.

Those people I even sought out to have discussions with, because that is the normal theoretical free discussion of “one’s own religion” that ought be allowed by any “religion” in the first place.

So my gripe, on the Xenu and “body-thetans” is just that. Freedom to discuss it.

So enough on this. Thanks for all you do and did.

Maybe then a modified gripe of mine, would be to know that some of us or most of us quitters, one of the first things we do, is look. up on the internet what our former “religion’s” beliefs were, we go learn about Xenu and find out the secret that Xenu dumped the “body-thetans” onto earth and that upper levels OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the exorcism levels. I’m just voicing the information control gripe.

TDN, thanks for the data. Now I’m hoping that some insiders from Cincinnati will give us the scoop on what went down there in the last couple of years, including what’s up with all the Sea Org members apparently stationed there as some sort of experiment (or desperation move, also done not long after in Kansas City).

Thanks so much for the insight and the kind words. But you keep saying that and I keep telling you the same thing. It is not about Xenu it is about imprisoning Mike Rinder. I’m not going to change stop telling me to talk about Xenu for 12 years. Move on.
Unfortunately talking about religious beliefs is like ignoring the Catholic Church child rape accusations because we are talking about if Jesus’s mom was a virgin or not. Dogma is not important when whistleblowers like Mike Rinder were abused as children just as so many of my Vatican supervised brethren were exploited.
Absolutely nothing, NOTHING, snaps people to attention like the litany of missing persons: Shelly Miscavige, Guillume Luseveraerasdflas I can’t spell his name. They all have crazy names! Heber Jentzsch. Try teaching the NYT to spell that!
Dontalla Kevenaar. It makes Schwarzenegger just roll of the tonge as in being easy to spell! Es ist nicht gut!
With all due respect, stop suggesting I do anything and just watch. I’ve stopped listening to you unless you become a patron.

Jeanne was a Class XII, and I’m pretty sure was an OEC FEBC grad and certainly a Scientology celebrity, darn good looking and likeable. 50 years of experience at the highest levels. Looking at that list of creditors should be a major shock to anyone remotely hoping Scientology will make you rich. Criminal. How did she expect to pay it back? And … it’s not that much money for someone who is at retirement age. I don’t think she’s going to get much Social Security based on SO pay.

Pope,
I went drove from Pittsburgh over to Cinncy (Florence) to visit the Cinncy Org, before Jeannie was busted, some years back.
I knew her, I always like her, I’d been her subordinate and she was a good “leader” in the cult bureaucracy section I worked in.
But, I couldn’t bring myself to go inside and say hi to her. She was a little dynamo of a woman encouraging, and pushy in a nice way.
In the cult history though, everyone who’s been around a couple decades, witnesses how the sales people (and what a racket a “church” is if they have “sales” people arm twisting donations out of the “parishioners” but that is how the Scientology cult bureaucracy is set up.)
The cult bureaucracy is heavy on staffs. When you protested in LA all your years now, you run into the cult bureaucrats, almost 100 percent of the time. All you see are the cult bureaucrats. The TeamXenu staffers.

Pope, to spice up things and throw in some change in your talking to them, I suggest a little Xenu phrasing.

“Hey, you guys don’t even know who Xenu is. Are you guys not even allowed to define Xenu in your class rooms? Have you even wondered who Xenu was? Xenu is the bad space leader of 75 million years ago, and Xenu is the person who caused the Wall of Fire on the Ron’s Journal 67 tape.”

Just understanding this paragraph and adding it to a conversation where you’ve got the attention of one of the TeamXenu/cult-bureaucrats before you, you can deliver to them an unforgettable piece of info, that will sit in their brains for years and years.

It’s so hard to get this across to never in Scientology people. Just how major of a taboo it is to define Xenu in words they understand, and once they “get” the definition of Xenu being the guy who caused the Wall of Fire incident in the Ron’s Journal 67 tape, that is just something they will have stuck in their heads, til they quit, as most do quit, even before Scientology teaches them the truth.

The truth is Xenu did cause the Wall of Fire.

Anyways, again, eternal thanks for your years of protesting, and being willing to see them and talk to them.

Chuck Beatty
xTeamXenu75to03
and
don’t forget
XENU CAUSED THE WALL OF FIRE.
(Don’t underestimate the power of simply defining this key misunderstood word to the majority of the Scientologists you encounter, almost 95 percent of them do not know XENU CAUSED THE WALL OF FIRE and this is factually a public service to help them put two and two together.)

Start change stop
Create Survive Destroy

In these Hubbard “cycles of action” principles, is a heartless pursuit of money, when it comes to the salesman job.

I mean, what other religions have salesmen people soaking donations?

Hubbard codified this salesman/fundraiser, for every single “spiritual service” to be allowed given to the parishioner/quackery-dupe target.

The administrative setup is heavily over staffed, to pressure each other and pressure and praise and heap bonuses on these Scientology cult fundraisers/registrars(salespeople) who bring in the “fixed donations” weekly.

The Hubbard staff team for Scientology is an ominous presence to the Scientology “churches”.

Staff administrative staff add up to the bilking gauntlet part that keeps the quackery “churches” of Scientology operating.

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Scientology “field groups” of members just reading and doing the quackery on each other, for free, since they can “co-audit” (co deliver the spiritual quackery to one another) is the likely only legit level of this Scientology operation.

But it’s quackery, so even the “field group” level of co-delivering-the-quackery-to-each-other-in-pairs, is quackery, so why even do that?

Naw, bottom to top options, how to even deliver the Hubbard pseudo-therapy and exorcism, really, even if you did it for free, and you could, I know I could scour the internet, find everything I need, and do it with another person today; but why?

The “What Is Scientology” layout book that Scientology does, when you discard everything Scientology hype falsely claims that Scientology will do; and you instead just gather up ALL of the Hubbard “tech” (quackery theory and the actual “processes” and training theory to study how to deliver the quacery) and you do it all.

You do not achieve soul flying, nor ESP abilities, nor anything supernatural, as is promised.

The supernatural results are simply not there, never have been there, and have been false promises from the moment Hubbard began spouting Scientology’s false promises.

Scientology is one subject it is best to quit before you start.

And if you have started it, then follow the Hubbard Keeping Scientology Working challenge, where Hubbard wrote:

“…..and if they are going to quit let them quit fast…..” – Hubbard
(most Scientologists never ever thought of doing this, not until they get reminded of this, and even then, it’s “taboo” to quit like that, but in fact, all should quit fast!)

If you started, best to quit as fast as possible.

Chuck Beatty
xTeamXenu75to03

PS: x members need to bone up on the Xenu theory, so that when Scientologists come to threaten or cajole, or persuade, or shame ex members about “Coming back” and making things right, etc, etc; best is just talk Xenu and “body-thetans” theory simply to Scientologists, and make them shrivel from the dire supposedly “case” damage they are suffering hearing the Xenu “body-thetans” secret theory.
Hubbard’s biggest stupidest idiocy was give Xenu and “body-thetans” theory such powerful backlash and penalty for the followers.
Hubbard handed outsiders a free verbal Achilles Heal to employ against Scientologists, by the Xenu and “body-thetans” words and theory.

XENU CAUSED THE WALL OF FIRE. That’s just an unforgettable definition of Xenu anyone can say to a Scientologist, and it defines Xenu. Defining Xenu is taboo, but just saying that little XENU CAUSED THE WALL OF FIRE. sentence is the stepping stone to tell Scientologists their taboo secret theory. XENU caused the “body-thetan” problem for which todays OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 five exorcism levels of upper secret Scientology biggest taboo info of all time, for Scientologists, is supposedly done.

That’s what all the TeamXenu cult of Scientology is heading towards. A whole lot of exorcism on OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, all because of Xenu and the 4th Dynamic Engram. Not likely.

There ought to be a “Quackery Cult Repair List”. for ex quackery cult members.

Chuck
-xTeamXenu75to03
aka
“Retired TeamXenu 75to03”