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		By: cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2014 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66842&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow Indie.  If they would do this when you were in good standing, I shudder to think what they would do to you if you were declared.  Truly they live in a bubble.  Or better yet a mirrored bubble so that they can&#039;t even look outward and see others.  They only see their own reflection.]]></description>
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<p>Wow Indie.  If they would do this when you were in good standing, I shudder to think what they would do to you if you were declared.  Truly they live in a bubble.  Or better yet a mirrored bubble so that they can&#8217;t even look outward and see others.  They only see their own reflection.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2014 03:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66589&quot;&gt;Roger&lt;/a&gt;.

Perfectly explained. The emphasis is on, &quot;we don&#039;t want you here&quot;.  Basically, if you don&#039;t believe the DM party line and Flag&#039;s OSA can&#039;t control you, you are a security risk.

Plus, the staff will have to be nice to you and actually (gag) TALK to you and, as you say MIke, that is too gruesome for the staff to confront.

I witnessed a similar problem with the staff in Los Angeles. I was kind of a known face around the base and I was walking in the Jon&#039;s supermarket mini mall and saw a couple of SO girls walking toward me. As they were passing me, I waved and said hello in a very friendly manner.

Not only did they not greet me in the same manner, they actually turned their heads and looked away from me.

I thought, wow, these girls may have been told that everyone who wants to talk to them is dangerous to them or something like that. So much for acking people&#039;s comm at the very least.

When I went back to the org, I mentioned it to the MAA but I doubt it was ever addressed. I probably got written up for &quot;being critical&quot; of an SO member.

This was back in the 90&#039;s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66589">Roger</a>.</p>
<p>Perfectly explained. The emphasis is on, &#8220;we don&#8217;t want you here&#8221;.  Basically, if you don&#8217;t believe the DM party line and Flag&#8217;s OSA can&#8217;t control you, you are a security risk.</p>
<p>Plus, the staff will have to be nice to you and actually (gag) TALK to you and, as you say MIke, that is too gruesome for the staff to confront.</p>
<p>I witnessed a similar problem with the staff in Los Angeles. I was kind of a known face around the base and I was walking in the Jon&#8217;s supermarket mini mall and saw a couple of SO girls walking toward me. As they were passing me, I waved and said hello in a very friendly manner.</p>
<p>Not only did they not greet me in the same manner, they actually turned their heads and looked away from me.</p>
<p>I thought, wow, these girls may have been told that everyone who wants to talk to them is dangerous to them or something like that. So much for acking people&#8217;s comm at the very least.</p>
<p>When I went back to the org, I mentioned it to the MAA but I doubt it was ever addressed. I probably got written up for &#8220;being critical&#8221; of an SO member.</p>
<p>This was back in the 90&#8217;s.</p>
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		By: ozzybud		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ozzybud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2014 01:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66733&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

Well it wouldn&#039;t be the best 1&#039;st time they bought and paid for a study that benefits CoS. As Mike so nicely explains there&#039;s no possible way they can be a economic benefit espesially these days. In fact this study backs the opposite claim aka the &quot;churchs&quot; position. It also cost them $130k.

http://tonyortega.org/2014/08/12/mark-bunker-clearwater-is-being-pressured-to-knuckle-under-to-scientology-again/]]></description>
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<p>Well it wouldn&#8217;t be the best 1&#8217;st time they bought and paid for a study that benefits CoS. As Mike so nicely explains there&#8217;s no possible way they can be a economic benefit espesially these days. In fact this study backs the opposite claim aka the &#8220;churchs&#8221; position. It also cost them $130k.</p>
<p><a href="http://tonyortega.org/2014/08/12/mark-bunker-clearwater-is-being-pressured-to-knuckle-under-to-scientology-again/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tonyortega.org/2014/08/12/mark-bunker-clearwater-is-being-pressured-to-knuckle-under-to-scientology-again/</a></p>
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		By: Jenni S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenni S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66592&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

I was thinking that more foot traffic would benefit the church but then realized that would apply more to a mission or class V church. This article does make it clear that more foot traffic would not only not be a benefit but would be a positive liability. Also when I read Chuck Beatty&#039;s suggestion about cleanout amnesties it struck me (like the hot kiss at the end of a wet fist) that there haven&#039;t been any amnesties in a long time. Remember they used to be declared in honor of landmark advances. I guess there hasn&#039;t been any landmark advances lately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66592">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>I was thinking that more foot traffic would benefit the church but then realized that would apply more to a mission or class V church. This article does make it clear that more foot traffic would not only not be a benefit but would be a positive liability. Also when I read Chuck Beatty&#8217;s suggestion about cleanout amnesties it struck me (like the hot kiss at the end of a wet fist) that there haven&#8217;t been any amnesties in a long time. Remember they used to be declared in honor of landmark advances. I guess there hasn&#8217;t been any landmark advances lately.</p>
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		By: Valerie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66673&quot;&gt;Nelson&lt;/a&gt;.

The only reference I can see on the interwebs to the report is (shocker) in Freedom Magazine

http://www.freedommag.org/florida/building-a-great-city/editorial/the-tools-for-a-city-prosperity.html

I wonder if the report even exists]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66673">Nelson</a>.</p>
<p>The only reference I can see on the interwebs to the report is (shocker) in Freedom Magazine</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freedommag.org/florida/building-a-great-city/editorial/the-tools-for-a-city-prosperity.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.freedommag.org/florida/building-a-great-city/editorial/the-tools-for-a-city-prosperity.html</a></p>
<p>I wonder if the report even exists</p>
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		By: Valerie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66673&quot;&gt;Nelson&lt;/a&gt;.

I would definitely be interested in seeing that study since the only study on FSU&#039;s Economic Development website which even mentions Clearwater is from 2002.  There is nothing under recent projects that mentions anything to do with the aquarium.  I have sent an email to the director to see if it hasn&#039;t been posted on the website, but my guess is that this is another &quot;acceptable truth&quot; from the Church of Scientology to back their agenda.  I would like to see what they claim is the study.

http://www.cefa.fsu.edu/content/download/47182/327651/file/florida_tourism03.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66673">Nelson</a>.</p>
<p>I would definitely be interested in seeing that study since the only study on FSU&#8217;s Economic Development website which even mentions Clearwater is from 2002.  There is nothing under recent projects that mentions anything to do with the aquarium.  I have sent an email to the director to see if it hasn&#8217;t been posted on the website, but my guess is that this is another &#8220;acceptable truth&#8221; from the Church of Scientology to back their agenda.  I would like to see what they claim is the study.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cefa.fsu.edu/content/download/47182/327651/file/florida_tourism03.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cefa.fsu.edu/content/download/47182/327651/file/florida_tourism03.pdf</a></p>
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		By: rogerlarsson2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rogerlarsson2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66592&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Jokers and degraders are not only evil, they are also psychotic, but if $cientology is a lifeboat, how come the crew can&#039;t sign OFF from their muddy water?]]></description>
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<p>Jokers and degraders are not only evil, they are also psychotic, but if $cientology is a lifeboat, how come the crew can&#8217;t sign OFF from their muddy water?</p>
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		By: Valerie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66671&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL, when they were stalking me trying to &quot;recover&quot; me (more than 30 years after I left) in the conversation where I finally got them to quit calling, I actually asked the top executive guy that I insisted on speaking to partly because I knew who he was &quot;what part of leave me the fuck alone don&#039;t you understand?&quot;  His response was that if I had left an auditing session, they would try to figure out what was wrong, and this was the same thing they were trying to do here.  

I laughed out loud before I suggested that over 30 years was a long time to wait before they tried to figure out what had been messed up.  That was a fun conversation.  I hope the guy blew after we finished.  I did my best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66671">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>LOL, when they were stalking me trying to &#8220;recover&#8221; me (more than 30 years after I left) in the conversation where I finally got them to quit calling, I actually asked the top executive guy that I insisted on speaking to partly because I knew who he was &#8220;what part of leave me the fuck alone don&#8217;t you understand?&#8221;  His response was that if I had left an auditing session, they would try to figure out what was wrong, and this was the same thing they were trying to do here.  </p>
<p>I laughed out loud before I suggested that over 30 years was a long time to wait before they tried to figure out what had been messed up.  That was a fun conversation.  I hope the guy blew after we finished.  I did my best.</p>
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		By: Valerie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66661&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Coop, I think the fish are probably paid better -- at least they get to see their family.]]></description>
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<p>Coop, I think the fish are probably paid better &#8212; at least they get to see their family.</p>
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		By: Doug Sprinkle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Sprinkle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66666&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

I think I will read the book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-belongs-to-us-wogs-not-welcome/#comment-66666">Valerie</a>.</p>
<p>I think I will read the book.</p>
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