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		By: Peabody		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2022 02:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let’s double the number of orgs and say that each org will make 1,000 clears each year. It would take 266.67 years to clear the 80 million leaving 7,920,000,000 to go which, most likely, already went.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s double the number of orgs and say that each org will make 1,000 clears each year. It would take 266.67 years to clear the 80 million leaving 7,920,000,000 to go which, most likely, already went.</p>
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		By: Bill de Carle (spbill)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill de Carle (spbill)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491855&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

Nice to see a positive response, hope COB is reading this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491855">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>Nice to see a positive response, hope COB is reading this.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 00:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491666&quot;&gt;Bill de Carle (spbill)&lt;/a&gt;.

@Bill de Carle: I love your sentiment here. You offer rational points, if one is operating off a sincere desire and genuine urgency to “clear the planet” of thoughtless reactivity and all individual reactive minds. 

It was telling to me, when the 2020 conditions of the COVID pandemic set in, what a giant missed opportunity to GET ALL ORG STAFF (who needed it) UP TO THE STATE OF CLEAR. I think of how many talented, highly trained, and highly classed auditors there are at Flag—Class VI’s, Class IX’s, Class XII’s. What it takes (years) to get there, and with all the orgs shut down for several months, those technical delivery teams, as I understood, were sitting there mostly idle. 

With orgs, all their staff were still expected to stay connected to the org and “work” in some fashion. Several could have been sent, charged zero to arrive at an HGC, while operating as “contained” staff teams (within the guidelines of the pandemic conditions), and have all their lower Grade Chart auditing delivered.

Many of us have known org staff members who have served for decades, making pennies, and working 7 days a week at their org. The multi-month 2020 pandemic conditions represented an opportunity to take dedicated team members and give them a lot of auditing. This would additionally keep the “Well Done Auditing Hours” stats up at Flag and other advanced orgs. 

To not have done that demonstrated the low priority “clearing the planet” is to this group. During 2020 lockdown mandates, org staff members could not “work” in the org with public, as public places were closed. What a pristine opportunity to give these deserving staff mega doses of enhancement. Applying that “planetary clearing lens,” certainly the greatest good. But…nope. Instead, from what I could see, orgs kept their attention on cooking up more ways to fundraise and make money. Plus, clean the building vigorously—management did have many org staff in the building daily doing that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491666">Bill de Carle (spbill)</a>.</p>
<p>@Bill de Carle: I love your sentiment here. You offer rational points, if one is operating off a sincere desire and genuine urgency to “clear the planet” of thoughtless reactivity and all individual reactive minds. </p>
<p>It was telling to me, when the 2020 conditions of the COVID pandemic set in, what a giant missed opportunity to GET ALL ORG STAFF (who needed it) UP TO THE STATE OF CLEAR. I think of how many talented, highly trained, and highly classed auditors there are at Flag—Class VI’s, Class IX’s, Class XII’s. What it takes (years) to get there, and with all the orgs shut down for several months, those technical delivery teams, as I understood, were sitting there mostly idle. </p>
<p>With orgs, all their staff were still expected to stay connected to the org and “work” in some fashion. Several could have been sent, charged zero to arrive at an HGC, while operating as “contained” staff teams (within the guidelines of the pandemic conditions), and have all their lower Grade Chart auditing delivered.</p>
<p>Many of us have known org staff members who have served for decades, making pennies, and working 7 days a week at their org. The multi-month 2020 pandemic conditions represented an opportunity to take dedicated team members and give them a lot of auditing. This would additionally keep the “Well Done Auditing Hours” stats up at Flag and other advanced orgs. </p>
<p>To not have done that demonstrated the low priority “clearing the planet” is to this group. During 2020 lockdown mandates, org staff members could not “work” in the org with public, as public places were closed. What a pristine opportunity to give these deserving staff mega doses of enhancement. Applying that “planetary clearing lens,” certainly the greatest good. But…nope. Instead, from what I could see, orgs kept their attention on cooking up more ways to fundraise and make money. Plus, clean the building vigorously—management did have many org staff in the building daily doing that.</p>
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		By: John P.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, this was a nice numbers dive into the silliness of Scientology&#039;s self-congratulatory delusions about their impact in the world.  Interestingly, however, you don&#039;t need to have a global population that&#039;s growing for Scientology to look like they&#039;ve fallen hopelessly behind in their attempts to &quot;clear the planet.&quot; 

It turns out that the global population has probably peaked and is now starting to decline, something that will continue for the rest of our lives and likely beyond. This is mostly a function of urbanization; when people move to cities, they have far fewer kids, often below the level of replacement.  

So that ought to be good news for Scientology, or so you would think.  But the problem is that the membership of Scientology is aging out and declining even faster than the global population.  So Scientology is shrinking faster than the world around it.  No surprise to we observers, but once again, it sucks to be Miscavige.  You can&#039;t even outgrow a shrinking population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, this was a nice numbers dive into the silliness of Scientology&#8217;s self-congratulatory delusions about their impact in the world.  Interestingly, however, you don&#8217;t need to have a global population that&#8217;s growing for Scientology to look like they&#8217;ve fallen hopelessly behind in their attempts to &#8220;clear the planet.&#8221; </p>
<p>It turns out that the global population has probably peaked and is now starting to decline, something that will continue for the rest of our lives and likely beyond. This is mostly a function of urbanization; when people move to cities, they have far fewer kids, often below the level of replacement.  </p>
<p>So that ought to be good news for Scientology, or so you would think.  But the problem is that the membership of Scientology is aging out and declining even faster than the global population.  So Scientology is shrinking faster than the world around it.  No surprise to we observers, but once again, it sucks to be Miscavige.  You can&#8217;t even outgrow a shrinking population.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2022 09:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491666&quot;&gt;Bill de Carle (spbill)&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah - that’s gonna happen. NOT
These rapacious cultists are far too addicted to cash to consider such an audacious plan!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491666">Bill de Carle (spbill)</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; that’s gonna happen. NOT<br />
These rapacious cultists are far too addicted to cash to consider such an audacious plan!</p>
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		By: Mark Kamran		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Kamran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2022 07:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491688&quot;&gt;Nan B&lt;/a&gt;.

The bottom line is &quot; obsession&quot; ,the essence of any Cult.  

This obsession is ideal for mental slavery which leds to bonded labor,  wrongly assumes as devoted followers.

Betrayel , lie , deceit ,sex  and money at the center of any Cult. 

No one can  dispute in categorising them as criminal organization.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491688">Nan B</a>.</p>
<p>The bottom line is &#8221; obsession&#8221; ,the essence of any Cult.  </p>
<p>This obsession is ideal for mental slavery which leds to bonded labor,  wrongly assumes as devoted followers.</p>
<p>Betrayel , lie , deceit ,sex  and money at the center of any Cult. </p>
<p>No one can  dispute in categorising them as criminal organization.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2022 00:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491688&quot;&gt;Nan B&lt;/a&gt;.

After clear you were in the &quot;non interference zone&quot; which meant no further auditing, go directly to the OT levels. The &quot;risk&quot; as I recall was that if you loafed around too long after clear you  might fall into addiction or perversion. I recall someone at ASHO showing me a bulletin to that effect after I attested in 1979 and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a dub-in (imagination) but I&#039;ve never found a reference for it so maybe it is or maybe it got cancelled for being too controversial or something. I don&#039;t know.

A simple definition of clear might be no regrets about the past and the belief that nothing in the past can affect you negatively in the present. From a scientological point of view you need to agree or concede that you have a subconscious, unconscious or reactive mind which first needs to be erased to make that claim. The man on the street would simply say, &quot;You can&#039;t change the past so just live for today.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491688">Nan B</a>.</p>
<p>After clear you were in the &#8220;non interference zone&#8221; which meant no further auditing, go directly to the OT levels. The &#8220;risk&#8221; as I recall was that if you loafed around too long after clear you  might fall into addiction or perversion. I recall someone at ASHO showing me a bulletin to that effect after I attested in 1979 and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a dub-in (imagination) but I&#8217;ve never found a reference for it so maybe it is or maybe it got cancelled for being too controversial or something. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>A simple definition of clear might be no regrets about the past and the belief that nothing in the past can affect you negatively in the present. From a scientological point of view you need to agree or concede that you have a subconscious, unconscious or reactive mind which first needs to be erased to make that claim. The man on the street would simply say, &#8220;You can&#8217;t change the past so just live for today.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 23:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491662&quot;&gt;Miss Dutch&lt;/a&gt;.

You weren&#039;t in scn very long before you realized that clearing everyone on the planet was impossible because it took too long and cost too much but Clearing the Planet was a nice slogan. I think there was a &quot;qualification&quot; or something that said 10,000 Oh Tees could at  least restore order and possibly salvage the planet which seemed more reasonable. . . . . . . . . . . . (joke)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/correct-estimation-of-effort/#comment-491662">Miss Dutch</a>.</p>
<p>You weren&#8217;t in scn very long before you realized that clearing everyone on the planet was impossible because it took too long and cost too much but Clearing the Planet was a nice slogan. I think there was a &#8220;qualification&#8221; or something that said 10,000 Oh Tees could at  least restore order and possibly salvage the planet which seemed more reasonable. . . . . . . . . . . . (joke)</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 22:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientology has a huge problem with the word &#039;magnitude&#039; - it doesn&#039;t have a clue what it means.
Nice math Mike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology has a huge problem with the word &#8216;magnitude&#8217; &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t have a clue what it means.<br />
Nice math Mike.</p>
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		By: ExScnStaff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ExScnStaff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 22:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wanted to come back to cover another aspect of this &quot;estimation of effort&quot;.

80,000 Orgs would not do them any good unless those orgs were staffed with enough people trained to the right level.

When I was on staff at a Class V org, we had two auditors.  The goal was St. Hill size, which we were told would be twenty auditors.

That would require 1,600,000 auditors.  Every one of those orgs would need one or two each case supervisors, examiners, folder pages, cramming officers, course supervisors, word-clearers, and more.  And that&#039;s all just the technical side.  Hubbard laid out his organization policy as two admin to one tech.

At their most goofy of lies, Scn claimed a membership of 9 million.  A realistic estimation of effort to have 80,000 orgs capable of producing Clears would require nearly 9 million staff members.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to come back to cover another aspect of this &#8220;estimation of effort&#8221;.</p>
<p>80,000 Orgs would not do them any good unless those orgs were staffed with enough people trained to the right level.</p>
<p>When I was on staff at a Class V org, we had two auditors.  The goal was St. Hill size, which we were told would be twenty auditors.</p>
<p>That would require 1,600,000 auditors.  Every one of those orgs would need one or two each case supervisors, examiners, folder pages, cramming officers, course supervisors, word-clearers, and more.  And that&#8217;s all just the technical side.  Hubbard laid out his organization policy as two admin to one tech.</p>
<p>At their most goofy of lies, Scn claimed a membership of 9 million.  A realistic estimation of effort to have 80,000 orgs capable of producing Clears would require nearly 9 million staff members.</p>
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