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		By: hiatus57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 15:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I know I sound like a broken record. However I just want to give you some data.&quot;

How pathetic is this eh?

I don&#039;t think &quot;clubbed Seals&quot; really goes far enough in describing these charactors.  SP&#039;s is the correct definition]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know I sound like a broken record. However I just want to give you some data.&#8221;</p>
<p>How pathetic is this eh?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;clubbed Seals&#8221; really goes far enough in describing these charactors.  SP&#8217;s is the correct definition</p>
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		By: Formost		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 18:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48503&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Criminon is volunteer only. And same goes for our Volunteer Ministers. They pay their own way or reg their friends to donate to cover their air fare over to the disaster locations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Volunteer or not, when donations are requested, accountability automatically comes into play. And that should also include the out-of-pocket expenses of it&#039;s contributors so as to get an overall scene of what&#039;s really going on, transparent to all its supporters. I&#039;m not questioning well-meaning intentions getting LRH tech tech into the prison system which could improve conditions and lives, but the manner in which CRIMINON and other SCN front ends operate ... all bait, ambiguities, button-pushing, exagerated &#038; hyped data to &quot;get you to&quot; ... you&#039;re told unverified stories of results. Too many &quot;Hiddens&quot;, openess lacking. Give us your money, but don&#039;t look under the hood. Before I finance any activities I need to evaluate for myself whether I consider the proposed actions effective, but NO, that&#039;s contrary to &quot;Command Intention&quot; and nanny-state-like Sea Org mentality, which appears to regulate and control everything including what information I can and cannot have .... for the common good of course.

It&#039;s all in how they operate; it&#039;s not above board, hence deemed a scam until proven otherwise.

If the IAS in fact claims it supports CRIMINON, then transparency would reveal these lies, and thus CRMIMINON has been drawn into and is a &#039;mutually out-ruds part&#039; of the very same fraudulent operations to deceive its supporters.

How does it feel attending an event being told of IAS support when you know you had to pay for it all yourself? It takes quite the mental gymnastic leap to justify the con.

Any charity which wants your money but won&#039;t let you see the back of the store is dishonest to some extent or other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48503">Cindy</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Criminon is volunteer only. And same goes for our Volunteer Ministers. They pay their own way or reg their friends to donate to cover their air fare over to the disaster locations.</p></blockquote>
<p>Volunteer or not, when donations are requested, accountability automatically comes into play. And that should also include the out-of-pocket expenses of it&#8217;s contributors so as to get an overall scene of what&#8217;s really going on, transparent to all its supporters. I&#8217;m not questioning well-meaning intentions getting LRH tech tech into the prison system which could improve conditions and lives, but the manner in which CRIMINON and other SCN front ends operate &#8230; all bait, ambiguities, button-pushing, exagerated &amp; hyped data to &#8220;get you to&#8221; &#8230; you&#8217;re told unverified stories of results. Too many &#8220;Hiddens&#8221;, openess lacking. Give us your money, but don&#8217;t look under the hood. Before I finance any activities I need to evaluate for myself whether I consider the proposed actions effective, but NO, that&#8217;s contrary to &#8220;Command Intention&#8221; and nanny-state-like Sea Org mentality, which appears to regulate and control everything including what information I can and cannot have &#8230;. for the common good of course.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all in how they operate; it&#8217;s not above board, hence deemed a scam until proven otherwise.</p>
<p>If the IAS in fact claims it supports CRIMINON, then transparency would reveal these lies, and thus CRMIMINON has been drawn into and is a &#8216;mutually out-ruds part&#8217; of the very same fraudulent operations to deceive its supporters.</p>
<p>How does it feel attending an event being told of IAS support when you know you had to pay for it all yourself? It takes quite the mental gymnastic leap to justify the con.</p>
<p>Any charity which wants your money but won&#8217;t let you see the back of the store is dishonest to some extent or other.</p>
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		By: racingintheblood39		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48580</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 16:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48505&quot;&gt;racingintheblood39&lt;/a&gt;.

Much appreciate your response, Annette. (BTW, i&#039;m a regular poster on Geir&#039;s blog, where I love baiting the;&#039;serious ones&#039;. hahaha  :). To answer your question; No relation of Nico to Harold.
And you&#039;re so right about crazy stat pushing. (It was NEVER good enough for them.) In fact I had to step in and put a halt to that cyborg style staff destruction being assailed against my wife.
Of course, now that the &#039;must-cave-age&#039; subjugation by &#039;command intention&#039;, is beginning to age -must-cavage, we can move on to better prospects for our valuable time and resources!  What say?  :)

Calvin B. Duffield, Durban.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48505">racingintheblood39</a>.</p>
<p>Much appreciate your response, Annette. (BTW, i&#8217;m a regular poster on Geir&#8217;s blog, where I love baiting the;&#8217;serious ones&#8217;. hahaha  :). To answer your question; No relation of Nico to Harold.<br />
And you&#8217;re so right about crazy stat pushing. (It was NEVER good enough for them.) In fact I had to step in and put a halt to that cyborg style staff destruction being assailed against my wife.<br />
Of course, now that the &#8216;must-cave-age&#8217; subjugation by &#8216;command intention&#8217;, is beginning to age -must-cavage, we can move on to better prospects for our valuable time and resources!  What say?  🙂</p>
<p>Calvin B. Duffield, Durban.</p>
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		By: Robin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 15:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Peace In The Middle East Is Impossible Unless You Give Us Money. Now. - Mike Rinder&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 13:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] posting yesterday about the church and IAS not supporting Criminon in any way, this drops down the chimney from one of our Special [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] posting yesterday about the church and IAS not supporting Criminon in any way, this drops down the chimney from one of our Special [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Anette Iren Johansen		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48518</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 11:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48505&quot;&gt;racingintheblood39&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks dear! Sorry to hear about your wife sufferings. 
Is Harold related to Nico van der Berg? Nico was our contact at Criminon Int. He was our personal &quot;stat pusher&quot;! Felt like we were part of the Sea Org. At least that was what they expected from us. It was just crazy. When we had worked our asses off and were really proud of our results, it was NEVER good enough for them. We had to do more and more. We literary burned out. 
I believe the courses are valuable to the inmates. TWTH alone can make a huge difference in a person&#039;s life. 
We couldn&#039;t take the pressure from CN Int anymore as we had lots of other work to do as well. Criminon Denmark died just as it started to flourish...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48505">racingintheblood39</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks dear! Sorry to hear about your wife sufferings.<br />
Is Harold related to Nico van der Berg? Nico was our contact at Criminon Int. He was our personal &#8220;stat pusher&#8221;! Felt like we were part of the Sea Org. At least that was what they expected from us. It was just crazy. When we had worked our asses off and were really proud of our results, it was NEVER good enough for them. We had to do more and more. We literary burned out.<br />
I believe the courses are valuable to the inmates. TWTH alone can make a huge difference in a person&#8217;s life.<br />
We couldn&#8217;t take the pressure from CN Int anymore as we had lots of other work to do as well. Criminon Denmark died just as it started to flourish&#8230;</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 06:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Powerful, hard hitting post Mike, I loved it!  More begging......Oi fucking vey!  And who are these volunteers and what are they doing exactly, fund raising also?    Why is she bugging the supervisors, they are probably already working for nothing.   The hoarding of all this money, while staff struggle and neglect their children, and while Mismanage lives like a king is absolutely criminal and disgusting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powerful, hard hitting post Mike, I loved it!  More begging&#8230;&#8230;Oi fucking vey!  And who are these volunteers and what are they doing exactly, fund raising also?    Why is she bugging the supervisors, they are probably already working for nothing.   The hoarding of all this money, while staff struggle and neglect their children, and while Mismanage lives like a king is absolutely criminal and disgusting.</p>
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		By: racingintheblood39		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 06:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48407&quot;&gt;Anette Iren Johansen&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Annette. Thanks for the update. Its great to see you held that post in Denmark. And for a little de je vous, here is our little story, with which you are probably all too familiar.

My wife, Dorothy, a  class V, and I had been off lines for many years, when she was approached around 8 years ago, to be a Criminon counselor. She agreed, and in no time was flat out doing the correspondence courses, and counseling with the inmates.

She had a sponsor, now declared Indie, Harold Van Den Berg, who had been a long time scientologist friend, since the early 70&#039;s, when we first started out. But the workload, was intense, especially by &#039;volunteer&#039; standards, and eventually, she had worked through some 700 inmates, many of whom, had some of the most life changing wins. We still have copies of some of the more memorable success stories.

But eventually, like most of us here, the blinkers came off, and with it the blindness dissipated, leaving us aghast at how the CO$ had become a cleverly concealed money gobbling, fraudulent Ponzi operation.

Dorothy, by now struggling with several health problems, found herself on the receiving end of the disconnection policy ramifications, by virtue of the fact that I had been spotted posting on Marty&#039;s, as well as Steve Hall&#039;s blog, and blah, blah, blah.  Well I resigned, by making my declaration on Marty&#039;s blog, and shortly thereafter, Dorothy was given the &#039;ultimatum&#039;, by Criminon. She left behind a stat that had her right up there as one of the highest, (sometimes HIGHEST) producing counselor/auditors on the planet!!

Yes, Annette, I can confirm, from the South African prison perspective, that the results of the various rehab programs, were indeed highly successful. Thanks entirely to the sheer hard work and dedication, of a small handful of committed individuals who, (along with the brilliant concepts of LRH) made it possible!

In closing, I&#039;m sure you will agree, Annette, that if these programs were continued under the auspices and control of a genuine and resourceful benefactor, the outcome in criminal rehabilitation, would continue to inspire more to change their ways.

Thanks for all you and Geir are doing too!.... You guys rock (around the clock!!)  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48407">Anette Iren Johansen</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Annette. Thanks for the update. Its great to see you held that post in Denmark. And for a little de je vous, here is our little story, with which you are probably all too familiar.</p>
<p>My wife, Dorothy, a  class V, and I had been off lines for many years, when she was approached around 8 years ago, to be a Criminon counselor. She agreed, and in no time was flat out doing the correspondence courses, and counseling with the inmates.</p>
<p>She had a sponsor, now declared Indie, Harold Van Den Berg, who had been a long time scientologist friend, since the early 70&#8217;s, when we first started out. But the workload, was intense, especially by &#8216;volunteer&#8217; standards, and eventually, she had worked through some 700 inmates, many of whom, had some of the most life changing wins. We still have copies of some of the more memorable success stories.</p>
<p>But eventually, like most of us here, the blinkers came off, and with it the blindness dissipated, leaving us aghast at how the CO$ had become a cleverly concealed money gobbling, fraudulent Ponzi operation.</p>
<p>Dorothy, by now struggling with several health problems, found herself on the receiving end of the disconnection policy ramifications, by virtue of the fact that I had been spotted posting on Marty&#8217;s, as well as Steve Hall&#8217;s blog, and blah, blah, blah.  Well I resigned, by making my declaration on Marty&#8217;s blog, and shortly thereafter, Dorothy was given the &#8216;ultimatum&#8217;, by Criminon. She left behind a stat that had her right up there as one of the highest, (sometimes HIGHEST) producing counselor/auditors on the planet!!</p>
<p>Yes, Annette, I can confirm, from the South African prison perspective, that the results of the various rehab programs, were indeed highly successful. Thanks entirely to the sheer hard work and dedication, of a small handful of committed individuals who, (along with the brilliant concepts of LRH) made it possible!</p>
<p>In closing, I&#8217;m sure you will agree, Annette, that if these programs were continued under the auspices and control of a genuine and resourceful benefactor, the outcome in criminal rehabilitation, would continue to inspire more to change their ways.</p>
<p>Thanks for all you and Geir are doing too!&#8230;. You guys rock (around the clock!!)  🙂</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 06:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48435&quot;&gt;Formost&lt;/a&gt;.

I used to be a Sup for Criminon many years ago and we paid for our own postage to send them their corrected lessons and letters.  So for the IAS to crow and bray and brag about how they did this and that for Criminon (and Narconon too), is just criminal.  Criminon is volunteer only.  And same goes for our Volunteer Ministers.  They pay their own way or reg their friends to donate to cover their air fare over to the disaster locations. And the only thing the IAS or church pays for is to send Gold over there to do Photo Ops to put in the Impact Mag or show at an upcoming event when they take full credit for it all.  It&#039;s just more out exchange, more lies, more unclean hands for the church, and the motivators they are pulling in are big and continuing. They will be their own undoing with DM the biggest foot nuker of them all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48435">Formost</a>.</p>
<p>I used to be a Sup for Criminon many years ago and we paid for our own postage to send them their corrected lessons and letters.  So for the IAS to crow and bray and brag about how they did this and that for Criminon (and Narconon too), is just criminal.  Criminon is volunteer only.  And same goes for our Volunteer Ministers.  They pay their own way or reg their friends to donate to cover their air fare over to the disaster locations. And the only thing the IAS or church pays for is to send Gold over there to do Photo Ops to put in the Impact Mag or show at an upcoming event when they take full credit for it all.  It&#8217;s just more out exchange, more lies, more unclean hands for the church, and the motivators they are pulling in are big and continuing. They will be their own undoing with DM the biggest foot nuker of them all.</p>
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		By: Poet13c		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 00:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48422&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/criminon-get-funding-church/#comment-48422">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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