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		By: Royal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2019 12:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273431&quot;&gt;Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Bill. How goes it? Give me a holler when you get a chance. Your old comrade in arms. Royal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273431">Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Bill. How goes it? Give me a holler when you get a chance. Your old comrade in arms. Royal</p>
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		By: Doug Parent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 21:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I worked aboard the Prisonwinds for the better part of two years. Late 80&#039;s. There were times when the stress on the staff was very palpable. I saw a few break down and crying while on post. This was not uncommon. What I saw while aboard was enough to keep me away from Scientology for a long time. The environment was always tense. I was much younger and more naive then and of course that was pre-internet. I can only imagine what the locals are thinking about the ship now, being able to read about some staff being held against their will. I hope Scientologists will heed the warnings to NEVER EVER SET FOOT ON THE FREEWINDS. Once they have your passport, you are at their mercy, and these people are not &quot;right&quot; in head. In some cases, some of those people act like sociopaths. Good riddance Scientology!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked aboard the Prisonwinds for the better part of two years. Late 80&#8217;s. There were times when the stress on the staff was very palpable. I saw a few break down and crying while on post. This was not uncommon. What I saw while aboard was enough to keep me away from Scientology for a long time. The environment was always tense. I was much younger and more naive then and of course that was pre-internet. I can only imagine what the locals are thinking about the ship now, being able to read about some staff being held against their will. I hope Scientologists will heed the warnings to NEVER EVER SET FOOT ON THE FREEWINDS. Once they have your passport, you are at their mercy, and these people are not &#8220;right&#8221; in head. In some cases, some of those people act like sociopaths. Good riddance Scientology!</p>
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		By: Cavalier		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 20:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273588&quot;&gt;WhatWall&lt;/a&gt;.

I saw the regular reg on my RFs but not the IAS.
When I went to Flag in the early 2000s, the IAS Reg was on the RF. You were expected to donate $1000 per visit to Flag. I am sure this became much more aggressive later on.

I bought something minor from the Freewinds reg for $200 or something like that.
They did take my passport but then again, when I went on a regular cruise with Cunard they did the same thing.

It seems like I did a lot better than you on excursions, at least on my first trip.
Don&#039;t remember the heat being too bad but I went early in the year on both occasions and so maybe I missed the worst of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273588">WhatWall</a>.</p>
<p>I saw the regular reg on my RFs but not the IAS.<br />
When I went to Flag in the early 2000s, the IAS Reg was on the RF. You were expected to donate $1000 per visit to Flag. I am sure this became much more aggressive later on.</p>
<p>I bought something minor from the Freewinds reg for $200 or something like that.<br />
They did take my passport but then again, when I went on a regular cruise with Cunard they did the same thing.</p>
<p>It seems like I did a lot better than you on excursions, at least on my first trip.<br />
Don&#8217;t remember the heat being too bad but I went early in the year on both occasions and so maybe I missed the worst of it.</p>
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		By: Cavalier		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 15:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273577&quot;&gt;jere lull (38years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

Nope!
Nothing like that at the time.

The scuba diving I booked directly with the provider and the other tours I did.
Walked around Aruba and Willemstad in Curacao on my own.
Wasn&#039;t told anywhere was off limits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273577">jere lull (38years recovering)</a>.</p>
<p>Nope!<br />
Nothing like that at the time.</p>
<p>The scuba diving I booked directly with the provider and the other tours I did.<br />
Walked around Aruba and Willemstad in Curacao on my own.<br />
Wasn&#8217;t told anywhere was off limits.</p>
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		By: WhatWall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 13:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273463&quot;&gt;Cavalier&lt;/a&gt;.

I visited the Freewinds in the 90&#039;s. The &quot;routing in&quot; form and the &quot;routing out&quot; form both took me through the registrar gauntlet. The same was true of Flag during that period. 

They did take my passport and held it until I completed the &quot;routing out&quot; form to their satisfaction.

I was able to get out on one island for half a day of recreation. The rest of my time was spent on course, trying to finish in time. 

That was my first tropical cruise experience. Temps and humidity stayed in the sweltering 90&#039;s with no relief, day or night. The Freewinds is so small that it&#039;s not practical to stay in its air conditioned interior (and you spend enough time there on course).  I&#039;ll never go on another tropical cruise. 

Why is the Freewinds restricted to the Caribbean? Is it prohibited from docking in the U.S. or Canada? Or does it stay in such a small area to conserve fuel? From talking to an ex-Freewinds crew member, I know that operating expenses have always been a problem for the Freewinds, partly due to Hubbard&#039;s self-serving financial policies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273463">Cavalier</a>.</p>
<p>I visited the Freewinds in the 90&#8217;s. The &#8220;routing in&#8221; form and the &#8220;routing out&#8221; form both took me through the registrar gauntlet. The same was true of Flag during that period. </p>
<p>They did take my passport and held it until I completed the &#8220;routing out&#8221; form to their satisfaction.</p>
<p>I was able to get out on one island for half a day of recreation. The rest of my time was spent on course, trying to finish in time. </p>
<p>That was my first tropical cruise experience. Temps and humidity stayed in the sweltering 90&#8217;s with no relief, day or night. The Freewinds is so small that it&#8217;s not practical to stay in its air conditioned interior (and you spend enough time there on course).  I&#8217;ll never go on another tropical cruise. </p>
<p>Why is the Freewinds restricted to the Caribbean? Is it prohibited from docking in the U.S. or Canada? Or does it stay in such a small area to conserve fuel? From talking to an ex-Freewinds crew member, I know that operating expenses have always been a problem for the Freewinds, partly due to Hubbard&#8217;s self-serving financial policies.</p>
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		By: jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 12:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273415&quot;&gt;Kat LaRue&lt;/a&gt;.

Kat offered:
&quot;And Im pretty sure that first cruise is to prime locations to try to get people to forget about the measles.&quot;

At THOSE prices AND the required IAS donations, it&#039;d be far cheaper and less stressful to go for a &quot;morning  constitutional&quot;(Walk or run) and just keep  going.  In my experience, a passport wasn&#039;t needed in the major Caribbean destinations; just to get back home by public carriers.  A good picture ID (Driver&#039;s License) worked fine for most folks, I saw.  A Passport just got us through more quickly as they didn&#039;t ask us anything more than &quot;Have a good time?&quot; as they stamped the passport.  &#039;Course, most &#039;Mericans who just got passports to go to get fleeced won&#039;t know that, nor that they can get replacement passports at the local US Embassy. Trapped by belief and ignorance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273415">Kat LaRue</a>.</p>
<p>Kat offered:<br />
&#8220;And Im pretty sure that first cruise is to prime locations to try to get people to forget about the measles.&#8221;</p>
<p>At THOSE prices AND the required IAS donations, it&#8217;d be far cheaper and less stressful to go for a &#8220;morning  constitutional&#8221;(Walk or run) and just keep  going.  In my experience, a passport wasn&#8217;t needed in the major Caribbean destinations; just to get back home by public carriers.  A good picture ID (Driver&#8217;s License) worked fine for most folks, I saw.  A Passport just got us through more quickly as they didn&#8217;t ask us anything more than &#8220;Have a good time?&#8221; as they stamped the passport.  &#8216;Course, most &#8216;Mericans who just got passports to go to get fleeced won&#8217;t know that, nor that they can get replacement passports at the local US Embassy. Trapped by belief and ignorance.</p>
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		By: jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 12:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273442&quot;&gt;freebeeing&lt;/a&gt;.

freebeeing asked:
&quot;So are they persona non grata in Bonaire now?&quot;

Is that where the infected person boarded?   If so, I see no reason that the PORT would reject the boat, though the airports and airline that brought her from wherever MIGHT tighten up passenger screening for communicable diseases.  I dunno, just spitballing. I DOUBT any place will blanket exclude scientologists just in case one  might be an anti-vaxxer who is infected.
No such luck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273442">freebeeing</a>.</p>
<p>freebeeing asked:<br />
&#8220;So are they persona non grata in Bonaire now?&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that where the infected person boarded?   If so, I see no reason that the PORT would reject the boat, though the airports and airline that brought her from wherever MIGHT tighten up passenger screening for communicable diseases.  I dunno, just spitballing. I DOUBT any place will blanket exclude scientologists just in case one  might be an anti-vaxxer who is infected.<br />
No such luck.</p>
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		By: jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 12:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273458&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Cindy offered:
&quot; I hate calling someone “my 2D” because it doesn’t tell you if they are a girlfriend or a wife, a husband or a boyfriend.&quot;

I deal with that by saying she&#039;s my wife, typically,   OR sometimes, &quot;My lovely Lady&quot;, which is even more non-discriminating than 2D, which IMO, just means &quot;lover&quot; if it&#039;s unqualified, AFAICT.  Scientology was SO lacking in descriptors for the 2nd Dynamic.  AND MustSavage , or someone, has been trying to change 2D to mean ANY act of creation. Hubbard tellingly first called it the &#039;sex dynamic&#039;, only weakly connecting in child creation or rearing at the time. 
 I suppose that&#039;s because he was never much more than a sperm donor, getting HIS gratification without regard to the possible outcomes.  Thinking a bit more, that pretty much describes his life, as I see it. It&#039;s good that many men take SOME responsibility in such matters. Certainly Ron didn&#039;t seem to be much involved in his kids&#039; lives unless they were working for him -- a purely business relationship. The  non-blood messengers got more fatherly attention from him than his offspring, as I recall.
LOVE isn&#039;t considered, except by those of us who remembered that quaint emotion from our wog days]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273458">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Cindy offered:<br />
&#8221; I hate calling someone “my 2D” because it doesn’t tell you if they are a girlfriend or a wife, a husband or a boyfriend.&#8221;</p>
<p>I deal with that by saying she&#8217;s my wife, typically,   OR sometimes, &#8220;My lovely Lady&#8221;, which is even more non-discriminating than 2D, which IMO, just means &#8220;lover&#8221; if it&#8217;s unqualified, AFAICT.  Scientology was SO lacking in descriptors for the 2nd Dynamic.  AND MustSavage , or someone, has been trying to change 2D to mean ANY act of creation. Hubbard tellingly first called it the &#8216;sex dynamic&#8217;, only weakly connecting in child creation or rearing at the time.<br />
 I suppose that&#8217;s because he was never much more than a sperm donor, getting HIS gratification without regard to the possible outcomes.  Thinking a bit more, that pretty much describes his life, as I see it. It&#8217;s good that many men take SOME responsibility in such matters. Certainly Ron didn&#8217;t seem to be much involved in his kids&#8217; lives unless they were working for him &#8212; a purely business relationship. The  non-blood messengers got more fatherly attention from him than his offspring, as I recall.<br />
LOVE isn&#8217;t considered, except by those of us who remembered that quaint emotion from our wog days</p>
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		By: Mat Pesch		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 12:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273417&quot;&gt;Suppressing Scientology&lt;/a&gt;.

Very true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273417">Suppressing Scientology</a>.</p>
<p>Very true.</p>
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		By: jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 12:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273463&quot;&gt;Cavalier&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m REALLY surprised that Fleecewind visitors get any chance to see the ports they stay in.  I would expect that any excursions arranged through the boat would be marked up something fierce, perhaps even amounting to the cost of a  a &#039;donation&#039; to the  IAS or some such thing.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the vultures charged heavily to get down the gangplank  to WALK around the port -- undoubtedly sending along a &#039;handler&#039; to keep you from stopping in an unapproved store or bar/restaurant, just to &quot;keep you safe&quot;.  &#039;Course, that would expose the &#039;handler&#039; to the real world, possibly allowing them to realize that the real world isn&#039;t nearly as scary as they portray, particularly on small Caribbean islands who depend on tourism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cruising-the-caribbean/#comment-273463">Cavalier</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m REALLY surprised that Fleecewind visitors get any chance to see the ports they stay in.  I would expect that any excursions arranged through the boat would be marked up something fierce, perhaps even amounting to the cost of a  a &#8216;donation&#8217; to the  IAS or some such thing.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the vultures charged heavily to get down the gangplank  to WALK around the port &#8212; undoubtedly sending along a &#8216;handler&#8217; to keep you from stopping in an unapproved store or bar/restaurant, just to &#8220;keep you safe&#8221;.  &#8216;Course, that would expose the &#8216;handler&#8217; to the real world, possibly allowing them to realize that the real world isn&#8217;t nearly as scary as they portray, particularly on small Caribbean islands who depend on tourism.</p>
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