Cannot remember enough specifics from 50 years ago, sorry

Well, I didn’t get smarter now 🙂
Would you write specifically?

OT II was a surprise. It is difficult to describe it.. I got a new perspective on concepts and communication. It is out of the ordinary. However, I do not push it.

But it’s good that you say that. I see you reached OT VIII, I was on OT II for over a year, but I left. Can you tell me what the OT II EP was? Thanks for answering.

Good for you, George!

Yep, they told me that it was good that I was doing the Criminon program but that I had to as in you must get on an OTC and have an actual post ad attend meeting and do stuff for it. They actually took roll call at OTC meetings and turned into Flag the names of the OT’s who attended and who didn’t attend.

Yo Valley OTC!

Please be sure to invite me to your next “Long-Winded Eternally Everlasting” Events.

Much love,
Aqua

Richard,
Thanks for what you’ve shared. Interesting that you’ve informally equated someone having in whatever manner achieved the subjective reality that “nothing in their past can affect them negatively in the present” because, paraphrased, that is where I stopped getting audited – that is the EP for the highest Grade on the Bridge I completed. Its about mid-way up the Bridge. And I did get that EP, btw. I did “know” that I wouldn’t be getting any worse. So its interesting to me that you’ve informally equated that with being Clear!

Now, as regards “altitude” over others due to having been audited on higher levels – wow, I long ago disabused myself of THAT notion! I observed “OTs” struggling with pedestrian wog problems shared by the majority of non-audited humanity – financial problems, physical problems, family problems – THESE people were OT? And then there were OTs who didn’t have these problems. The same applied to Clears. Some were riddled with problems and barely making it. Others were fine. Clearly (pun intentional) something else was at work here in determining the operating conditions of these Scientologists. I figured that out a long time ago and ceased being impressed by anyone’s auditing certs alone. Although, to be friendly and not to seem anti-social I would ooh and aaah about them in an obliging manner because it was expected of me.

Meanwhile, privately, I might be thinking, “You’re 50lbs overweight and it took you 8 years to fully understand DMSMH. Two of your kids are pushing 40 and still live at home with you. No one knows what you do for a living and after walking up just 2 flights of stairs you’re wheezing like someone who’s going to have a heart attack…you smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and say you could stop at any time, yet you don’t, so you’re obviously addicted to nicotine …THIS is OT8?”

Ok, without naming names that is one specific example. There were numerous others. My own private standard became “OT/Clear is as OT/Clear does.” And for me, this applied to WHEREVER someone was on the Bridge and/or to non-Scientologists as well. Because I knew non-Scientologists who were way less fucked up than some Scientologists I knew. There had to be other factors at work!

Aqua – Regarding “I’m not even Clear” a simple definition might be letting go of the past. If after some auditing or from life in general someone reaches or has the subjective reality that nothing in their past can affect them negatively in the present they are as clear as anyone else.

I got a clear certificate around 1980 but split soon after that and didn’t do the OT levels so “I’m not even OT” – lol. In the following years I might have thought about scn once or twice a year and wonder if I missed anything which is probably unavoidable. That might be a nagging thought for many Exes who had a lot invested before they blew.

My only regret about not going OT, if you want to call it that, is that I can’t converse with people on scn blogs who did the OT levels about that trippy experience. Oh well – They have “altitude” over me. (joke)

The BEST part of it all Kim is that you are FREE to live your life the way you choose to do so. You can be who you want to be, go where you want to go,
You can sleep, eat, take a walk, a vacation, run your OWN life as you see fit without someone continuing to harass you to pay for more courses you’ll never need or use.

I am not young either, my brain in intact (so far anyway)……& I’ve opted out on all forms of organized religion. I’ve always been more spiritual anyway.

NO COS IS NOT A CHURCH……it’s a SIN that takes advantage of GOOD PEOPLE for it’s OWN benefit.

I AM GLAD YOUR ARE OUT! Stay well my friend, keep smiling!