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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-478194</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391974&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

The &quot;right&quot; people.

Yea, to swallow the Xenu body-thetans sprinkling story, you have to be the &quot;right&quot; people.

Hubbard left Scientology the taboo secret words, Xenu and body-thetans.

Those words will haunt Scientology, backfiring against Scientology.

I wish to heck a T Shirt and Umbrella shop would be set up in Clearwater city to use Hubbard&#039;s words against them.

Wear the Ts downtown to immediately ID who is an &quot;SP&quot; to them.

Aim the umbrellas (which have Xenu and/or body-thetans printed on the umbrellas)  at their security cameras, and the Xenu and body-thetans words have to be scrubbed off their in house video films.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391974">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>The &#8220;right&#8221; people.</p>
<p>Yea, to swallow the Xenu body-thetans sprinkling story, you have to be the &#8220;right&#8221; people.</p>
<p>Hubbard left Scientology the taboo secret words, Xenu and body-thetans.</p>
<p>Those words will haunt Scientology, backfiring against Scientology.</p>
<p>I wish to heck a T Shirt and Umbrella shop would be set up in Clearwater city to use Hubbard&#8217;s words against them.</p>
<p>Wear the Ts downtown to immediately ID who is an &#8220;SP&#8221; to them.</p>
<p>Aim the umbrellas (which have Xenu and/or body-thetans printed on the umbrellas)  at their security cameras, and the Xenu and body-thetans words have to be scrubbed off their in house video films.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2021 16:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391962&quot;&gt;Geoff Levin&lt;/a&gt;.

I found most of the &quot;CEO Circle&quot; members to be criminals.  From C. Jensen on down.  ALL were willing to rip off scientology employees unless threatened with legal action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391962">Geoff Levin</a>.</p>
<p>I found most of the &#8220;CEO Circle&#8221; members to be criminals.  From C. Jensen on down.  ALL were willing to rip off scientology employees unless threatened with legal action.</p>
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		By: Mary Kahn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2021 17:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-392080&quot;&gt;Hana L. Whitfield&lt;/a&gt;.

<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f917.png" alt="🤗" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f496.png" alt="💖" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-392080">Hana L. Whitfield</a>.</p>
<p>🤗 💖</p>
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		By: Hana L. Whitfield		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2021 13:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-392014&quot;&gt;Mary Kahn&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi, Mary Kahn!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-392014">Mary Kahn</a>.</p>
<p>Hi, Mary Kahn!</p>
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		By: Mary Kahn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 22:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391982&quot;&gt;Hana whitfield&lt;/a&gt;.

She’s an amazing woman!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391982">Hana whitfield</a>.</p>
<p>She’s an amazing woman!</p>
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		By: Hana Whitfield		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Scientology and WISE are now exporting DISCONNECTION? I want to say I&#039;m shocked, yet it is to be expected. Hubbard ordered that his words could never be changed and Miscavige is continuing the manipulation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Scientology and WISE are now exporting DISCONNECTION? I want to say I&#8217;m shocked, yet it is to be expected. Hubbard ordered that his words could never be changed and Miscavige is continuing the manipulation.</p>
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		By: Hana whitfield		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 16:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jane Doe 1&#039;s letter is heartbreaking.  The years of twists and turns she encountered, allies turning into antagonists, blind alleys, helpers disappearing into silence with no reason, as well as the emotional turmoil she went through in compiling her report, recollecting facts and trying to make an unbelievable story readable and believable for others. She has my full support.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Doe 1&#8217;s letter is heartbreaking.  The years of twists and turns she encountered, allies turning into antagonists, blind alleys, helpers disappearing into silence with no reason, as well as the emotional turmoil she went through in compiling her report, recollecting facts and trying to make an unbelievable story readable and believable for others. She has my full support.</p>
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		By: Sortingitout		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391979</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 16:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391905&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

That is a cool imagery. You can be the landlord of your life and quit that game. Just looked up Twelve Steps. I find cults all over the place. I think it’s a natural outcome of groups, from very light all the way to very intense, as we well know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391905">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>That is a cool imagery. You can be the landlord of your life and quit that game. Just looked up Twelve Steps. I find cults all over the place. I think it’s a natural outcome of groups, from very light all the way to very intense, as we well know.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 15:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tellingly, what I found in the handful of instances where I went to work for a WISE member company, they were organized for the exclusive benefit of the owner(s): chiefly, the owner’s desire to pay for their Bridge. Worker wages were modest or paltry (wonder where they got that idea from), benefits non-existent, and the PROMISES of paying some type of bonus or commission based on forecasted successes were repeated (classic carrot on the stick).

With one exception—and it was my supervisor, a class act (who has since left the group)—these WISE member bosses were the worst. Crafty, dismissive, full of themselves including their own unique interpretation of “the Tech.” Cursed at in the workplace, laid off without warning (cause murky), pragmatic concerns unanswered, one time hurled into a parked vehicle because the boss could not countenance my rejection of his aggressive, poor treatment of a server at a restaurant. (I had warned him, that if he behaved that way again, I would quietly and immediately get up and exit. When I delivered on that, he chased after and physically threw me into a nearby vehicle and punched me. A longtime “Clear,” someone I met in the org Academy.) 

When I look at it, my experiences were with WISE members who formed a company to be their own version of LRH: “Worship me and be glad to work for me and accept whatever treatment or assignments I give you.” These included “HOLD DOWN THE FORT when I tear off to Flag or the Freewinds to enhance my greatness.”

A not-distant example of—what seems to me—dismissive cold-hearted-ness… Reported in March 2020 by “JP” on Twitter (@HealThyself15) and The Scientology Money Project: A week into the official start of the pandemic in the U.S. (conventions and gatherings shut down, etc.), Cardone Capital laid off 80 of 180 employees “without notice and without benefits (as little as legally obligated) and gave them a letter from his [Grant’s] lawyer saying if they contest, they can try and get him in court (hint: they won’t be able to).”

I must admit, this one from Grant &#038; Elena Cardone enterprise stunned me. They both continuously set themselves up to be Your Role Model of how to live a grand, thriving, successful life. By their own design, they have orchestrated a life in a fishbowl. 

In my experience, a non-WISE member company would be far less likely to address their loyal staff in this way. This is not to say there are not infinite examples of crap companies and crap bosses; we know there are. 

I am simply pointing out that, because WISE members and Scientologists promote themselves as elite, “homo novis,” people should be able to RELY ON THEM to set the utmost “greatest good” example. A company going through a rough period could ask for all to accept a temporary pay cut. When prosperity returns, employees can be rewarded for their unflagging loyalty. Or if a company does lay people off, they can provide a severance package that is far more realistic than two or three weeks. More like three months, or six months, or twelve.

I just don’t see what I would characterize as high integrity, “greatest good for the greatest number” behaviors or outcomes with WISE member companies for whom I have worked. Instead, my poor experiences added to my rationale to exit this group. Never in my non-WISE company jobs have I encountered such attitudes and very poor management behaviors. So ironic.  

At the risk of over-simplifying, to me it seems like the rampant disease in Scientology membership for many is narcissism. 

Maybe it is because, when you are in C of S, Ron repeatedly uses “evaluate our group next to a datum of comparable magnitude,” with the “datum” being THE WORST example in that category. He does not just compare C of S remedies to the typical social worker or psychologist. He repeatedly stacks C of S services up against lobotomists. This gives members a very (very) false picture and ill-placed certainty that the ENTIRETY of “other” practitioners in the mental-emotional health space are criminal conjurers, heavy drug user-pushers, and butchers. 

For business, that too is where I see these WISE member company owners can tragically fall very short in their thinking. The ones with whom I worked believed that all “wog” managers and wog companies were the epitome of dread and folly. They did not consider for a moment, “This is my competition, and these companies and business leaders are pretty astute, sane, effective, and successful.” I just don’t think it occurs to them, pumped up as they might be by Scientology rhetoric that the WISE approach is unquestionably superior in every category of measuring and constructing a healthy work scene. Truly sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tellingly, what I found in the handful of instances where I went to work for a WISE member company, they were organized for the exclusive benefit of the owner(s): chiefly, the owner’s desire to pay for their Bridge. Worker wages were modest or paltry (wonder where they got that idea from), benefits non-existent, and the PROMISES of paying some type of bonus or commission based on forecasted successes were repeated (classic carrot on the stick).</p>
<p>With one exception—and it was my supervisor, a class act (who has since left the group)—these WISE member bosses were the worst. Crafty, dismissive, full of themselves including their own unique interpretation of “the Tech.” Cursed at in the workplace, laid off without warning (cause murky), pragmatic concerns unanswered, one time hurled into a parked vehicle because the boss could not countenance my rejection of his aggressive, poor treatment of a server at a restaurant. (I had warned him, that if he behaved that way again, I would quietly and immediately get up and exit. When I delivered on that, he chased after and physically threw me into a nearby vehicle and punched me. A longtime “Clear,” someone I met in the org Academy.) </p>
<p>When I look at it, my experiences were with WISE members who formed a company to be their own version of LRH: “Worship me and be glad to work for me and accept whatever treatment or assignments I give you.” These included “HOLD DOWN THE FORT when I tear off to Flag or the Freewinds to enhance my greatness.”</p>
<p>A not-distant example of—what seems to me—dismissive cold-hearted-ness… Reported in March 2020 by “JP” on Twitter (@HealThyself15) and The Scientology Money Project: A week into the official start of the pandemic in the U.S. (conventions and gatherings shut down, etc.), Cardone Capital laid off 80 of 180 employees “without notice and without benefits (as little as legally obligated) and gave them a letter from his [Grant’s] lawyer saying if they contest, they can try and get him in court (hint: they won’t be able to).”</p>
<p>I must admit, this one from Grant &amp; Elena Cardone enterprise stunned me. They both continuously set themselves up to be Your Role Model of how to live a grand, thriving, successful life. By their own design, they have orchestrated a life in a fishbowl. </p>
<p>In my experience, a non-WISE member company would be far less likely to address their loyal staff in this way. This is not to say there are not infinite examples of crap companies and crap bosses; we know there are. </p>
<p>I am simply pointing out that, because WISE members and Scientologists promote themselves as elite, “homo novis,” people should be able to RELY ON THEM to set the utmost “greatest good” example. A company going through a rough period could ask for all to accept a temporary pay cut. When prosperity returns, employees can be rewarded for their unflagging loyalty. Or if a company does lay people off, they can provide a severance package that is far more realistic than two or three weeks. More like three months, or six months, or twelve.</p>
<p>I just don’t see what I would characterize as high integrity, “greatest good for the greatest number” behaviors or outcomes with WISE member companies for whom I have worked. Instead, my poor experiences added to my rationale to exit this group. Never in my non-WISE company jobs have I encountered such attitudes and very poor management behaviors. So ironic.  </p>
<p>At the risk of over-simplifying, to me it seems like the rampant disease in Scientology membership for many is narcissism. </p>
<p>Maybe it is because, when you are in C of S, Ron repeatedly uses “evaluate our group next to a datum of comparable magnitude,” with the “datum” being THE WORST example in that category. He does not just compare C of S remedies to the typical social worker or psychologist. He repeatedly stacks C of S services up against lobotomists. This gives members a very (very) false picture and ill-placed certainty that the ENTIRETY of “other” practitioners in the mental-emotional health space are criminal conjurers, heavy drug user-pushers, and butchers. </p>
<p>For business, that too is where I see these WISE member company owners can tragically fall very short in their thinking. The ones with whom I worked believed that all “wog” managers and wog companies were the epitome of dread and folly. They did not consider for a moment, “This is my competition, and these companies and business leaders are pretty astute, sane, effective, and successful.” I just don’t think it occurs to them, pumped up as they might be by Scientology rhetoric that the WISE approach is unquestionably superior in every category of measuring and constructing a healthy work scene. Truly sad.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 13:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391841&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

I apologize to any Gypsies I might have offended with yesterday&#039;s comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/disconnection-for-all-2/#comment-391841">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>I apologize to any Gypsies I might have offended with yesterday&#8217;s comment.</p>
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