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		By: Daniel Victor		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1092</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 06:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the German blog INDEPENDOLOGY  (http://indipendology.wordpress.com/) the latest subject is &#039;The two faces of an organization&quot; an email was published written by a person (who liked to remain anonymous) to those who publish the blog.
These are people who describe themselves as being LRH loyal Scientologists who object to how the Church has developed under its new leader.

The person wrote that she was staff in the Berlin Ideal Org and that she was proud to be there helping people on their way to go free.

I will translate a little from the email:
&quot;Recently I have asked myself why there are people like you who try to destroy everything. As far as the tech is concerned I know it, but looking at it with common sense I have no explanation why you are trying to destroy the way to freedom. I thought: &#039;I am working my ass off so that everyone has the chance to go free, and those are trying to stop everything.&#039;  I did not find an answer. It is normal that there are people who don&#039;t want that others become free. This is why it is so difficult for me to understand, because I did not consider it normal.
Ok., you do exist, you are the ones who do everything trying to stop others. That&#039;s your nature, you are designed to do that, that&#039;s all you are able for in life. Looking upon it like that it is not at all a problem for us here on the other side !!!!!!!  Just continue doing according to your implants, we do the other !!!!!!

But unfortunately I have to tell you that you are doing bad bad work. Becausssse in the end everything goes exactly the other way than you have planned. People are interested in our Ideal Org, they want to know what Scientology is. Since some have gone and others were kicked out who were visiting your blog and spread lies as they had to justify their behaviour, everything even goes better.

It has become very simple! Not having counter-intentions works true wonders. Our ED is very UPSTATE since a long time, the preparations for the continuous preparations are running on full speed. It is a fantastic pleasant atmosphere in the org as we had never before. Ideal Orgs are opening their gates WORLDWIDE one after the other for people who are not being influenced by people like you. Germany has two Ideal Orgs and the next one is in preparation. More and more people want to go up the Bridge. Flag produces Clears and OTs continuously .... etc etc.  I could continue for hours but time is too precious to waste it here.  I have said what I wanted to say, at least the kind version. I am not angry with you  because I know that in essence the being is good, and when it starts to become bad it starts sopping itself eventually. That&#039;s why I am not worrying at all. Therefore: Good luck in failing.&quot;

END OF TRANSLATION
Many of you might be used to such statements. I am not.
It is like seing dogs and calling them dogs while another person says that these are birds and that you are a liar.

I am going to write to the Berlin Org asking for two meetings to discuss such contradictions. At the first meeting I will hear their arguments and will already react. Then, for the second meeting I will be well prepared with facts and numbers I can present.

As far as OSA is concerned they never discussed my criticism. Now I am curious it the org will also refuse a dialogue.
Anybody wants to join me?

Daniel in the Lion&#039;s Den]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the German blog INDEPENDOLOGY  (<a href="http://indipendology.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://indipendology.wordpress.com/</a>) the latest subject is &#8216;The two faces of an organization&#8221; an email was published written by a person (who liked to remain anonymous) to those who publish the blog.<br />
These are people who describe themselves as being LRH loyal Scientologists who object to how the Church has developed under its new leader.</p>
<p>The person wrote that she was staff in the Berlin Ideal Org and that she was proud to be there helping people on their way to go free.</p>
<p>I will translate a little from the email:<br />
&#8220;Recently I have asked myself why there are people like you who try to destroy everything. As far as the tech is concerned I know it, but looking at it with common sense I have no explanation why you are trying to destroy the way to freedom. I thought: &#8216;I am working my ass off so that everyone has the chance to go free, and those are trying to stop everything.&#8217;  I did not find an answer. It is normal that there are people who don&#8217;t want that others become free. This is why it is so difficult for me to understand, because I did not consider it normal.<br />
Ok., you do exist, you are the ones who do everything trying to stop others. That&#8217;s your nature, you are designed to do that, that&#8217;s all you are able for in life. Looking upon it like that it is not at all a problem for us here on the other side !!!!!!!  Just continue doing according to your implants, we do the other !!!!!!</p>
<p>But unfortunately I have to tell you that you are doing bad bad work. Becausssse in the end everything goes exactly the other way than you have planned. People are interested in our Ideal Org, they want to know what Scientology is. Since some have gone and others were kicked out who were visiting your blog and spread lies as they had to justify their behaviour, everything even goes better.</p>
<p>It has become very simple! Not having counter-intentions works true wonders. Our ED is very UPSTATE since a long time, the preparations for the continuous preparations are running on full speed. It is a fantastic pleasant atmosphere in the org as we had never before. Ideal Orgs are opening their gates WORLDWIDE one after the other for people who are not being influenced by people like you. Germany has two Ideal Orgs and the next one is in preparation. More and more people want to go up the Bridge. Flag produces Clears and OTs continuously &#8230;. etc etc.  I could continue for hours but time is too precious to waste it here.  I have said what I wanted to say, at least the kind version. I am not angry with you  because I know that in essence the being is good, and when it starts to become bad it starts sopping itself eventually. That&#8217;s why I am not worrying at all. Therefore: Good luck in failing.&#8221;</p>
<p>END OF TRANSLATION<br />
Many of you might be used to such statements. I am not.<br />
It is like seing dogs and calling them dogs while another person says that these are birds and that you are a liar.</p>
<p>I am going to write to the Berlin Org asking for two meetings to discuss such contradictions. At the first meeting I will hear their arguments and will already react. Then, for the second meeting I will be well prepared with facts and numbers I can present.</p>
<p>As far as OSA is concerned they never discussed my criticism. Now I am curious it the org will also refuse a dialogue.<br />
Anybody wants to join me?</p>
<p>Daniel in the Lion&#8217;s Den</p>
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		By: Schorsch		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1090</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1087&quot;&gt;Chris from Germany&lt;/a&gt;.

Hallo Chris,
I think one has to dig through a lot of dirt to find the real scene. I had been staff as this messup started. I could observe lots of mass. For me it looked like mass from actual goals problems masses. Thus my conclusion had been that part of the situation had been intentional restimulation of case.
One major factor had been the „gangbang sec checks“. Those sec checks had an exact pattern. Maybe they looked like arbitratry screaming and shouting. But this is not the case. First of all the second or thrird person behind the meter is no arbitrary. Then the „severe reality adjustment“ had been done while the TA went down. (not while the TA did rise) Those doing the sec check had not been aware of this fact. A sec checker doing those sec checks had as part of this training also at least one of those sec checks. In order to restimulate the exact case factor in the sec checker. Thus this exact thing could be restimulated while he did this sec checking. The obvious had been the check istself and the screaming. But this is secondary. The restimulation of a exact point on the case is the real action behind that sec check. If you can audit people that had in 83 / 84 one of those you can find this pattern.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1087">Chris from Germany</a>.</p>
<p>Hallo Chris,<br />
I think one has to dig through a lot of dirt to find the real scene. I had been staff as this messup started. I could observe lots of mass. For me it looked like mass from actual goals problems masses. Thus my conclusion had been that part of the situation had been intentional restimulation of case.<br />
One major factor had been the „gangbang sec checks“. Those sec checks had an exact pattern. Maybe they looked like arbitratry screaming and shouting. But this is not the case. First of all the second or thrird person behind the meter is no arbitrary. Then the „severe reality adjustment“ had been done while the TA went down. (not while the TA did rise) Those doing the sec check had not been aware of this fact. A sec checker doing those sec checks had as part of this training also at least one of those sec checks. In order to restimulate the exact case factor in the sec checker. Thus this exact thing could be restimulated while he did this sec checking. The obvious had been the check istself and the screaming. But this is secondary. The restimulation of a exact point on the case is the real action behind that sec check. If you can audit people that had in 83 / 84 one of those you can find this pattern.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1088&quot;&gt;Chris from Germany&lt;/a&gt;.

:) I appreciated that you took the time to provide specifics -- it is helpful and deserves to be seen by more people than might have seen your comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1088">Chris from Germany</a>.</p>
<p>🙂 I appreciated that you took the time to provide specifics &#8212; it is helpful and deserves to be seen by more people than might have seen your comment.</p>
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		By: Chris from Germany		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris from Germany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1071&quot;&gt;Paul J&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Mike,
I was very surprised to find my comments posted and given the importance of a whole article, feeling honoured. Of course, also in the future, when it seems to fit, I´ll share whenever your blog prompts me to.
The pleasure was mine.
Chris]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1071">Paul J</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Mike,<br />
I was very surprised to find my comments posted and given the importance of a whole article, feeling honoured. Of course, also in the future, when it seems to fit, I´ll share whenever your blog prompts me to.<br />
The pleasure was mine.<br />
Chris</p>
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		By: Chris from Germany		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris from Germany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1071&quot;&gt;Paul J&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you. In fact I am writing with the attitude to help handle &quot;the situation&quot;, even though I cannot make out the EXACT situation yet and have hardly any idea how to solve our Scientology-3rd-dyn-problem worldwide. As long as I have no better idea, I just audit, train others to audit - and write :-).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1071">Paul J</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you. In fact I am writing with the attitude to help handle &#8220;the situation&#8221;, even though I cannot make out the EXACT situation yet and have hardly any idea how to solve our Scientology-3rd-dyn-problem worldwide. As long as I have no better idea, I just audit, train others to audit &#8211; and write :-).</p>
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		By: Chris from Germany		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris from Germany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1050&quot;&gt;Shane Weightman&lt;/a&gt;.

I feel with you.
Good you shared your story, too!
Chris]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1050">Shane Weightman</a>.</p>
<p>I feel with you.<br />
Good you shared your story, too!<br />
Chris</p>
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		By: Julian Banse		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Banse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wenn es so weiter geht, müssen sie schließen - In München ist es auch nicht besser :)
[If this continues, they have to close - In Munich there is no better]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wenn es so weiter geht, müssen sie schließen &#8211; In München ist es auch nicht besser 🙂<br />
[If this continues, they have to close &#8211; In Munich there is no better]</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[STOPPING THE NIGHTMARE
It must be a nightmare for those who are still working in the Berlin org (and other orgs).
When they started they thought they were joining a group which was fighting for FREEDOM. But then they made observations which strongly suggested that they actually had joined a group which worked AGAINST freedom of information, of speech and even thought, which is suppressing the free will, which is lying and betraying them.
But once they wake up and start investigating about their doubts it is often too late for just leaving.
I know a person who finds herself sitting in this trap. If she left the Church she would lose her entire family. So she stays.
Without doubt the Church is in the process of dying. But unfortunately DM seems to have saved a Billion Dollars or more which will enable him to maintain his tortures for maybe another couple of years.
Until his realm will fall apart one day and with it his powerful tool of forced disconnection Ten Thousands, maybe Hundred Thousand families will continue suffering from being separated.
And apart from that: all people still involved with the Church are being suppressed, cheated, damaged.

What could be done - apart from what already has and is being done by many brave people who publicly stood up?
We could start brainstorming how DM can be stopped in a much shorter period of time. I am convinced that there are quite a few possibilities.
I have devised a powerful scheme myself about which I will be informing you in just a couple of days.

St. Gregory the Great once stated: &quot;Reason opposes evil the more effectively when anger ministers at her side.&quot;
I am angry, indeed. And I can well see how this stimulates my creativity.
(Without anger - no creativity, no ideas, no enthusiasm for fighting...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STOPPING THE NIGHTMARE<br />
It must be a nightmare for those who are still working in the Berlin org (and other orgs).<br />
When they started they thought they were joining a group which was fighting for FREEDOM. But then they made observations which strongly suggested that they actually had joined a group which worked AGAINST freedom of information, of speech and even thought, which is suppressing the free will, which is lying and betraying them.<br />
But once they wake up and start investigating about their doubts it is often too late for just leaving.<br />
I know a person who finds herself sitting in this trap. If she left the Church she would lose her entire family. So she stays.<br />
Without doubt the Church is in the process of dying. But unfortunately DM seems to have saved a Billion Dollars or more which will enable him to maintain his tortures for maybe another couple of years.<br />
Until his realm will fall apart one day and with it his powerful tool of forced disconnection Ten Thousands, maybe Hundred Thousand families will continue suffering from being separated.<br />
And apart from that: all people still involved with the Church are being suppressed, cheated, damaged.</p>
<p>What could be done &#8211; apart from what already has and is being done by many brave people who publicly stood up?<br />
We could start brainstorming how DM can be stopped in a much shorter period of time. I am convinced that there are quite a few possibilities.<br />
I have devised a powerful scheme myself about which I will be informing you in just a couple of days.</p>
<p>St. Gregory the Great once stated: &#8220;Reason opposes evil the more effectively when anger ministers at her side.&#8221;<br />
I am angry, indeed. And I can well see how this stimulates my creativity.<br />
(Without anger &#8211; no creativity, no ideas, no enthusiasm for fighting&#8230;)</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 10:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1063&quot;&gt;Rita Wagner&lt;/a&gt;.

This is true. In the 90th we had more than $ 4.000,- a day, but also when these days wre &quot;great&quot;, people went up the bridge, did their academies....it only went in for some years, than they all were bankrupt, and had to handle their hugh debts, credits they took to get up the bridge to become free..... But how can you be free, if you really have big debts...and your survival is in danger? So already there it was insane! And the strange thing,also when the GI was over  the top...the &quot;normal&quot; staffs had their 5 DM (2,50 €) a week..... Why? Well it was used for expensive excursions of the ED, who was on target 2. What is target 2? I don´t know if it is from Ron, I´m not green-on-white trained.... Target one, we were told, is, an ED sets up a functioning Org. When there staffs are able to run the Org by themselves, the ED can go out on &quot;more&quot; responsible projects. This is target 2. And this ED went to the wars of Bosnia and &quot;handled&quot; it. Whatever else you were told in TV, yes..it was this great ED, who handled &quot;all&quot;. And if the stats went little down, we were kind of SPs, because we pulled her back into the Org again, taken her out of this most important project, which would have safed the world, because we were so unable. But was she a real freedom fighter? Well, her excursions were full of luxury I found out later......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1063">Rita Wagner</a>.</p>
<p>This is true. In the 90th we had more than $ 4.000,- a day, but also when these days wre &#8220;great&#8221;, people went up the bridge, did their academies&#8230;.it only went in for some years, than they all were bankrupt, and had to handle their hugh debts, credits they took to get up the bridge to become free&#8230;.. But how can you be free, if you really have big debts&#8230;and your survival is in danger? So already there it was insane! And the strange thing,also when the GI was over  the top&#8230;the &#8220;normal&#8221; staffs had their 5 DM (2,50 €) a week&#8230;.. Why? Well it was used for expensive excursions of the ED, who was on target 2. What is target 2? I don´t know if it is from Ron, I´m not green-on-white trained&#8230;. Target one, we were told, is, an ED sets up a functioning Org. When there staffs are able to run the Org by themselves, the ED can go out on &#8220;more&#8221; responsible projects. This is target 2. And this ED went to the wars of Bosnia and &#8220;handled&#8221; it. Whatever else you were told in TV, yes..it was this great ED, who handled &#8220;all&#8221;. And if the stats went little down, we were kind of SPs, because we pulled her back into the Org again, taken her out of this most important project, which would have safed the world, because we were so unable. But was she a real freedom fighter? Well, her excursions were full of luxury I found out later&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 02:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1072&quot;&gt;Thoughtful&lt;/a&gt;.

Thoughtful, I join the others on the floor.  Laughter, big time, thank you - aaaawk ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dispatch-from-berlin-ideal-org/#comment-1072">Thoughtful</a>.</p>
<p>Thoughtful, I join the others on the floor.  Laughter, big time, thank you &#8211; aaaawk 😉</p>
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