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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Odd Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27713&quot;&gt;Conan&lt;/a&gt;.

Conan -- just saw this posting -- thought I&#039;d make a belated comment on it.

I think a lot of people assumed that Scientology&#039;s creation was very linear and happened over a few unfettered, uncomplicated years and eventually produced the result known broadly as  - Scientology Tech. I think the same incorrect view applies to LRH himself - that he crafted the Tech, the Science, whatever we choose to call it - over a few years. That it resembles in some fashion, a freight train, with a succession of cars all neatly linked together. 

I don&#039;t believe it happened like that at all. I believe SCN more closely resembles the old Winchester House in Santa Clara County, California. A house, essentially created by the widow of Oliver Winchester - Proud Papa of the Winchester Repeating Rifle. To appease the spirits of all those killed by her husband&#039;s rifle, non-stop building took place at her residence for almost 40 years. This created a Mystery House with stairways leading nowhere, windows opening onto brick walls, and doorways leading to sheer drops into the garden four stories below.

In other words very non-linear. LRH developed the Laws of Listing and Nulling that WORK! and he also wrote the policies on how to obliterate opponents. He showed incredible compassion for the average person and simultaneously showed a complete disconnect in what the average staff member&#039;s life was like earning $5 a week in 1985,.

The only thing consistent about SCN was that in practice, it was very inconsistent. But within it all is a core of data that works and works well. I for one, am more interested in the workability of that core data than I am with his foibles, his inconsistencies or his view of himself. In the long term, they&#039;re irrelevant. 

Odd]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27713">Conan</a>.</p>
<p>Conan &#8212; just saw this posting &#8212; thought I&#8217;d make a belated comment on it.</p>
<p>I think a lot of people assumed that Scientology&#8217;s creation was very linear and happened over a few unfettered, uncomplicated years and eventually produced the result known broadly as  &#8211; Scientology Tech. I think the same incorrect view applies to LRH himself &#8211; that he crafted the Tech, the Science, whatever we choose to call it &#8211; over a few years. That it resembles in some fashion, a freight train, with a succession of cars all neatly linked together. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe it happened like that at all. I believe SCN more closely resembles the old Winchester House in Santa Clara County, California. A house, essentially created by the widow of Oliver Winchester &#8211; Proud Papa of the Winchester Repeating Rifle. To appease the spirits of all those killed by her husband&#8217;s rifle, non-stop building took place at her residence for almost 40 years. This created a Mystery House with stairways leading nowhere, windows opening onto brick walls, and doorways leading to sheer drops into the garden four stories below.</p>
<p>In other words very non-linear. LRH developed the Laws of Listing and Nulling that WORK! and he also wrote the policies on how to obliterate opponents. He showed incredible compassion for the average person and simultaneously showed a complete disconnect in what the average staff member&#8217;s life was like earning $5 a week in 1985,.</p>
<p>The only thing consistent about SCN was that in practice, it was very inconsistent. But within it all is a core of data that works and works well. I for one, am more interested in the workability of that core data than I am with his foibles, his inconsistencies or his view of himself. In the long term, they&#8217;re irrelevant. </p>
<p>Odd</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 01:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27818&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah creating a nice home for a family and responsibly raising children is such a waste of time.  She could be regging for idle orgs and the ias to save the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Except for the children of course because they&#039;re not important.   grrrrrrrrrrrr]]></description>
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<p>Yeah creating a nice home for a family and responsibly raising children is such a waste of time.  She could be regging for idle orgs and the ias to save the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Except for the children of course because they&#8217;re not important.   grrrrrrrrrrrr</p>
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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 17:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27757&quot;&gt;overrunincalif&lt;/a&gt;.

Well put -- Overrun. It reminds me of gamblers who are on a losing streak and get lost. That there&#039;s such a thing as a &quot;streak&quot; eludes them. That they been losing consistently - just a fluke. That they&#039;re almost broke -- all it takes is one big win. They feel so close to something they&#039;ve been yearning for, they&#039;ve lost sight of the fact, that a win, just isn&#039;t likely when so much is going wrong.

I think people in the RCS have to actually go through the process of unmocking their previous wins and gains, to make room for these &quot;new wins.&quot;  You have to admit to yourself, you didn&#039;t get what you thought you did, because it&#039;s here now.

If that isn&#039;t suppressive, I don&#039;t know what is.

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<p>Well put &#8212; Overrun. It reminds me of gamblers who are on a losing streak and get lost. That there&#8217;s such a thing as a &#8220;streak&#8221; eludes them. That they been losing consistently &#8211; just a fluke. That they&#8217;re almost broke &#8212; all it takes is one big win. They feel so close to something they&#8217;ve been yearning for, they&#8217;ve lost sight of the fact, that a win, just isn&#8217;t likely when so much is going wrong.</p>
<p>I think people in the RCS have to actually go through the process of unmocking their previous wins and gains, to make room for these &#8220;new wins.&#8221;  You have to admit to yourself, you didn&#8217;t get what you thought you did, because it&#8217;s here now.</p>
<p>If that isn&#8217;t suppressive, I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
<p>Odd</p>
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		By: WhatWall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27812&quot;&gt;Pumpkin&lt;/a&gt;.

Pumpkin, Thank you for the update on Paige. It saddens me to think that she is still in. I hope she is getting adequate food &#038; rest and is not under much stress. She was Qual Sec in the Pac Estates Org (known as CESO back then) before AOLA. She was pretty much the only hope that CESO staff had for any personal enhancement, medical care or compassion of any kind.]]></description>
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<p>Pumpkin, Thank you for the update on Paige. It saddens me to think that she is still in. I hope she is getting adequate food &amp; rest and is not under much stress. She was Qual Sec in the Pac Estates Org (known as CESO back then) before AOLA. She was pretty much the only hope that CESO staff had for any personal enhancement, medical care or compassion of any kind.</p>
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		By: ellen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27745&quot;&gt;Idle Morgue&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said.]]></description>
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<p>Well said.</p>
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		By: Odd Thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27825&quot;&gt;Peter&lt;/a&gt;.

+1 Dude. I recall doing my NOTs at AOLA in 2005. I would step out of the Examiner&#039;s office (where I was struggling with the guy on the other side of the shield - staring at the meter for 20-40-60 seconds - waiting for an F/N. That wasn&#039;t enough - noooo. As soon as I got out, right as I was trying to reset the win I had, I&#039;d be confronted by IAS regges who wanted to talk about my next level. Man I hadn&#039;t even gotten my shoes back on and there they were, howling for me. Talk about having the cognition process zapped and killed.

I finally met with the PES, who was trying to reg me and told her &quot;No, No way, Not ever&quot; with sufficient intention, that she just left me alone. 

Talk about a &quot;Refused Reality.&quot; 

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<p>+1 Dude. I recall doing my NOTs at AOLA in 2005. I would step out of the Examiner&#8217;s office (where I was struggling with the guy on the other side of the shield &#8211; staring at the meter for 20-40-60 seconds &#8211; waiting for an F/N. That wasn&#8217;t enough &#8211; noooo. As soon as I got out, right as I was trying to reset the win I had, I&#8217;d be confronted by IAS regges who wanted to talk about my next level. Man I hadn&#8217;t even gotten my shoes back on and there they were, howling for me. Talk about having the cognition process zapped and killed.</p>
<p>I finally met with the PES, who was trying to reg me and told her &#8220;No, No way, Not ever&#8221; with sufficient intention, that she just left me alone. </p>
<p>Talk about a &#8220;Refused Reality.&#8221; </p>
<p>Odd</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27803&quot;&gt;ThetaPotata&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey you&#039;re welcome TP :)]]></description>
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<p>Hey you&#8217;re welcome TP 🙂</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27836&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

If one can&#039;t admit being wrong, wouldn&#039;t that be an indication of an unflat Grade 4?]]></description>
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<p>If one can&#8217;t admit being wrong, wouldn&#8217;t that be an indication of an unflat Grade 4?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27749&quot;&gt;Still on your side&lt;/a&gt;.

I still am boggled by the concept of &quot;losing my eternity&quot;.  LOL  Just how is that possible if I am, indeed, a spiritual being???  They manage to make it both irrational and illogical at the same time. LOL]]></description>
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<p>I still am boggled by the concept of &#8220;losing my eternity&#8221;.  LOL  Just how is that possible if I am, indeed, a spiritual being???  They manage to make it both irrational and illogical at the same time. LOL</p>
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		By: Alanzo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alanzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 19:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/drew-and-dede-johnston-sales-pitch/#comment-27823&quot;&gt;Cece&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks to you, Cece!

Alanzo]]></description>
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<p>Thanks to you, Cece!</p>
<p>Alanzo</p>
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