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	Comments on: Episode 27: Jon Atack &#8212; OG Scientology Whistleblower	</title>
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		By: Mariela X Vileinor		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good Morning 
As I read each comments I want to let you all know that we Do Not Sale any Dianetics books or Scientology books!! In Texarkana Texas Study Group In Texarkana Texas. 
Sister Judy was holding one of the books which we have at our only Bookstore. And I as A Student of the Nation of Islam have Read a few of the bookstores at our Study group. 

Because it’s available for Us to check it out!!!! Now any other books we have at our local study Group are for sale!! However if anyone want to know about Scientology we will never stop them from reading it. 
“There’s no compulsion in Islam”

We are very Peaceful People in the Nation of Islam. So, for the person who wrote my Name in his Comments and feel the need to discredit me for no reason. 

Understand This is the time we all we start seeing change . Now I read books all the time , Even the book Sister Judy is Reading. 
The Video you seen is a video of her time with the Nation of Islam!! We are not promoting Scientology at all!! 
It’s very sad how Folks take things out of context all because of who we are? 

Only if you knew Am happy to come across this blog and article on The internet very interesting what you will find and read of what people really think. 

I hope each of you can find peace in your life …. May each of you reading my comments have a bless day
WS
From Sister Mariela X]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning<br />
As I read each comments I want to let you all know that we Do Not Sale any Dianetics books or Scientology books!! In Texarkana Texas Study Group In Texarkana Texas.<br />
Sister Judy was holding one of the books which we have at our only Bookstore. And I as A Student of the Nation of Islam have Read a few of the bookstores at our Study group. </p>
<p>Because it’s available for Us to check it out!!!! Now any other books we have at our local study Group are for sale!! However if anyone want to know about Scientology we will never stop them from reading it.<br />
“There’s no compulsion in Islam”</p>
<p>We are very Peaceful People in the Nation of Islam. So, for the person who wrote my Name in his Comments and feel the need to discredit me for no reason. </p>
<p>Understand This is the time we all we start seeing change . Now I read books all the time , Even the book Sister Judy is Reading.<br />
The Video you seen is a video of her time with the Nation of Islam!! We are not promoting Scientology at all!!<br />
It’s very sad how Folks take things out of context all because of who we are? </p>
<p>Only if you knew Am happy to come across this blog and article on The internet very interesting what you will find and read of what people really think. </p>
<p>I hope each of you can find peace in your life …. May each of you reading my comments have a bless day<br />
WS<br />
From Sister Mariela X</p>
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		By: LynChaves		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2022 23:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found about your podcast recently.
It broke my heart when you said that other than the high schools, the only other way to get people to the Sea Org is in South America or Africa. This is exactly what hapenned to us. By &quot;us&quot; I speak as a group of friends. I&#039;m from Central America.
We grew up together since we were teenagers, and we e¡went to University together, actually, we&#039;re musicians and we went to an Art School all together.
One of us started to go to a &quot;business seminar&quot; and slowly we kept that this was something else. He was involved so fast that we couldn&#039;t do anything for saving him. He dropped everything and left to Clearwater. We don&#039;t know anything about him about 4 or 5 years now. Neither his family. He disconnected from all of us as we didn&#039;t want to participate in Scientology.
We miss him. Personally, I think a lot on him, as his birthday is coming over in a few weeks, and we cannot even email him. He doesn&#039;t use any social media and his old email, everything is gone. He is gone. We&#039;re mourning our friend, 
This awful thing destroys jobs, families, friendships. It destroys lives. 
Thank you guys for raising the voice so we know at least what hell  is he into now. I hope that some day we can recover him back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found about your podcast recently.<br />
It broke my heart when you said that other than the high schools, the only other way to get people to the Sea Org is in South America or Africa. This is exactly what hapenned to us. By &#8220;us&#8221; I speak as a group of friends. I&#8217;m from Central America.<br />
We grew up together since we were teenagers, and we e¡went to University together, actually, we&#8217;re musicians and we went to an Art School all together.<br />
One of us started to go to a &#8220;business seminar&#8221; and slowly we kept that this was something else. He was involved so fast that we couldn&#8217;t do anything for saving him. He dropped everything and left to Clearwater. We don&#8217;t know anything about him about 4 or 5 years now. Neither his family. He disconnected from all of us as we didn&#8217;t want to participate in Scientology.<br />
We miss him. Personally, I think a lot on him, as his birthday is coming over in a few weeks, and we cannot even email him. He doesn&#8217;t use any social media and his old email, everything is gone. He is gone. We&#8217;re mourning our friend,<br />
This awful thing destroys jobs, families, friendships. It destroys lives.<br />
Thank you guys for raising the voice so we know at least what hell  is he into now. I hope that some day we can recover him back.</p>
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		By: Coffee Cup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coffee Cup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great stuff as usual! Mike, I have a question, maybe something I misheard. John mentioned that an Anglican minister (bishop?) committed suicide because of things that were published in News of the World. Was that part of a Scn attack or just a general comment on the harmful nature of false information? Because if it was a Scn thing I find it interesting, seeing the Murdoch connection and how much the Murdochs seem to detest COS. I was just reading that great book on Scientology in Australia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff as usual! Mike, I have a question, maybe something I misheard. John mentioned that an Anglican minister (bishop?) committed suicide because of things that were published in News of the World. Was that part of a Scn attack or just a general comment on the harmful nature of false information? Because if it was a Scn thing I find it interesting, seeing the Murdoch connection and how much the Murdochs seem to detest COS. I was just reading that great book on Scientology in Australia.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peridot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great interview with Jon. Of the interesting nuggets, one so telling that stood out is Jon recounting a tale of Hubbard, running the show, and ordering a punishment of staff by doing away with toilet paper. Jon characterizes this as “animalistic.” I could not agree more.

Since stepping outside the bubble and engaging in this forum, something that keeps surfacing is the evidence of how much Hubbard disdained labor. It seems NOT rocket science that, to build an organization, requires staff well-cared for and well-paid. In Scientologese, “do all you can to make the post occupiable.” 

This factually would entail each post in the organization COULD be occupied. A person in that post would be well thought of, treated well, paid well, have opportunity for advancement, access to routine healthcare, good nutrition, the promise of a pension or, in modern-day convention, a 401K with employer contribution match. As many of us have experienced, this how a lot of the rest of the working world is organized. It is not rocket science. It is how you attract, motivate, and retain talent. One certainly would do this if they wished to foster stability and expansion, rather than a slave empire.

Life in the Sea Org: the design of it seems so punitive and grinding, until there is just about nothing left of the individual. If Hubbard truly wanted to set up “his own navy,” then he would have made it like the actual navy, which—while requiring dedication, sacrifice, and hard work—has many benefits in return. For any reading who have been in the military or are close to someone who is, these can be satisfying careers, including by providing financial stability to the service member and their family. Nothing is perfect, of course, but they do (so I have been told by friends and family who have served) routinely have toilet paper in their work environments.

As a non-Sea Org member, I was clueless as to the punitive use of toilet paper. A previous interviewee, Valeska Paris, spoke of this in her tale of growing up in a cadet org in England. There was no toilet paper EVER, she reported.

I recall a new public, swept into the promises and grandeur of Scientology, advised to clean out her retirement account, buy the Briefing Course and head to Los Angeles to study. A neat and proper lady, she nearly about-faced and headed home upon arrival because THERE WAS NO TOILET PAPER in the ASHO (American Saint Hill Organization) ladies’ room. Never could she find any, nor (she reported) was she successful getting the situation corrected. She took to surreptitiously carrying a roll around with her in a cavernous handbag.

This reminds me of the tale of “losing the kingdom for want of horseshoe nail.” Will the empire be lost for want of toilet paper? This is a strange—and yet, as ever, dutifully self-imposed—fixed condition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview with Jon. Of the interesting nuggets, one so telling that stood out is Jon recounting a tale of Hubbard, running the show, and ordering a punishment of staff by doing away with toilet paper. Jon characterizes this as “animalistic.” I could not agree more.</p>
<p>Since stepping outside the bubble and engaging in this forum, something that keeps surfacing is the evidence of how much Hubbard disdained labor. It seems NOT rocket science that, to build an organization, requires staff well-cared for and well-paid. In Scientologese, “do all you can to make the post occupiable.” </p>
<p>This factually would entail each post in the organization COULD be occupied. A person in that post would be well thought of, treated well, paid well, have opportunity for advancement, access to routine healthcare, good nutrition, the promise of a pension or, in modern-day convention, a 401K with employer contribution match. As many of us have experienced, this how a lot of the rest of the working world is organized. It is not rocket science. It is how you attract, motivate, and retain talent. One certainly would do this if they wished to foster stability and expansion, rather than a slave empire.</p>
<p>Life in the Sea Org: the design of it seems so punitive and grinding, until there is just about nothing left of the individual. If Hubbard truly wanted to set up “his own navy,” then he would have made it like the actual navy, which—while requiring dedication, sacrifice, and hard work—has many benefits in return. For any reading who have been in the military or are close to someone who is, these can be satisfying careers, including by providing financial stability to the service member and their family. Nothing is perfect, of course, but they do (so I have been told by friends and family who have served) routinely have toilet paper in their work environments.</p>
<p>As a non-Sea Org member, I was clueless as to the punitive use of toilet paper. A previous interviewee, Valeska Paris, spoke of this in her tale of growing up in a cadet org in England. There was no toilet paper EVER, she reported.</p>
<p>I recall a new public, swept into the promises and grandeur of Scientology, advised to clean out her retirement account, buy the Briefing Course and head to Los Angeles to study. A neat and proper lady, she nearly about-faced and headed home upon arrival because THERE WAS NO TOILET PAPER in the ASHO (American Saint Hill Organization) ladies’ room. Never could she find any, nor (she reported) was she successful getting the situation corrected. She took to surreptitiously carrying a roll around with her in a cavernous handbag.</p>
<p>This reminds me of the tale of “losing the kingdom for want of horseshoe nail.” Will the empire be lost for want of toilet paper? This is a strange—and yet, as ever, dutifully self-imposed—fixed condition.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-27-jon-atack-og-scientology-whistleblower/#comment-381307&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

When George wrote, &quot;. . . the Black Man won&#039;t take any crap from Miscavige.&quot; I got a picture of DM getting in the face of a burly NOI dude or feisty NOI woman. It probably wouldn&#039;t end well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-27-jon-atack-og-scientology-whistleblower/#comment-381307">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>When George wrote, &#8220;. . . the Black Man won&#8217;t take any crap from Miscavige.&#8221; I got a picture of DM getting in the face of a burly NOI dude or feisty NOI woman. It probably wouldn&#8217;t end well.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-27-jon-atack-og-scientology-whistleblower/#comment-381182&quot;&gt;ISNOINews&lt;/a&gt;.

Talk about &quot;mixing practices&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-27-jon-atack-og-scientology-whistleblower/#comment-381182">ISNOINews</a>.</p>
<p>Talk about &#8220;mixing practices&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-27-jon-atack-og-scientology-whistleblower/#comment-381296&quot;&gt;Ms. B. Haven&lt;/a&gt;.

Nice story. Thanks for sharing it.

The overall presentation of Hubbard/Scn is &quot;We know everything about everything. We&#039;re right and everybody else is wrong.&quot; IMO that means your in a cult even if it&#039;s a &quot;mainstream&quot; religion.

On a TV show a commentator was interviewing a fundamentalist minister and asked him if he thought there was any truth in other religions and his immediate answer was &quot;No.&quot; I guess she wasn&#039;t expecting that answer and after an awkward ten second silence she replied, &quot;Well . . . Okay&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-27-jon-atack-og-scientology-whistleblower/#comment-381296">Ms. B. Haven</a>.</p>
<p>Nice story. Thanks for sharing it.</p>
<p>The overall presentation of Hubbard/Scn is &#8220;We know everything about everything. We&#8217;re right and everybody else is wrong.&#8221; IMO that means your in a cult even if it&#8217;s a &#8220;mainstream&#8221; religion.</p>
<p>On a TV show a commentator was interviewing a fundamentalist minister and asked him if he thought there was any truth in other religions and his immediate answer was &#8220;No.&#8221; I guess she wasn&#8217;t expecting that answer and after an awkward ten second silence she replied, &#8220;Well . . . Okay&#8221;</p>
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		By: George M. White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George M. White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vert good interview with Jon Atack.  I listened to most of it.  Did not know Hubbard died with $648,000,000 in cash,  Big chunk was mine -  ho ! .  
   The main point is correct.  Scientology ruined my life and it took thirty years to shake the roots.  Fortunately we got married and had kids out of Scientology because we knew it was a major problem.
The big problem was ten years later when they realized we had been in Scientology.  Took years to get them back to us.
   Biggest problem with Scientology for me was &quot;false hope&quot;.  This false hope eats at the being and fools you with negativity.  Took decades to shake it.  Hubbard was a sicko.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vert good interview with Jon Atack.  I listened to most of it.  Did not know Hubbard died with $648,000,000 in cash,  Big chunk was mine &#8211;  ho ! .<br />
   The main point is correct.  Scientology ruined my life and it took thirty years to shake the roots.  Fortunately we got married and had kids out of Scientology because we knew it was a major problem.<br />
The big problem was ten years later when they realized we had been in Scientology.  Took years to get them back to us.<br />
   Biggest problem with Scientology for me was &#8220;false hope&#8221;.  This false hope eats at the being and fools you with negativity.  Took decades to shake it.  Hubbard was a sicko.</p>
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		By: George M. White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George M. White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-27-jon-atack-og-scientology-whistleblower/#comment-381307&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

lol ditto]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-27-jon-atack-og-scientology-whistleblower/#comment-381307">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>lol ditto</p>
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		By: Jennifer Norris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Norris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2021 22:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi guys live the show and blog. There is a channel on YouTube called top5s. He just did a short documentary on Shelly Miscavige. It’s about her disappearance if anyone wants to check it out. Hopefully the more people that see it, the more pressure on Scientology to say where she is at.
Thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys live the show and blog. There is a channel on YouTube called top5s. He just did a short documentary on Shelly Miscavige. It’s about her disappearance if anyone wants to check it out. Hopefully the more people that see it, the more pressure on Scientology to say where she is at.<br />
Thanks</p>
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