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		By: Peridot		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is possible there is a truism from the original Student Hat course concerning &quot;the amount of times over equals certainty and results.&quot;  This Fair Game podcast I could really hear and absorb the content. I could truly take in and comprehend all that Leah, Mike, and Jon discussed. It affected me greatly as a Former-In and someone now out. I appreciate this podcast edition. It&#039;s been genius to bring on Jon Atack. I don&#039;t know if many of us give sufficient credit to the enormous research, consideration, and thought leadership of Atack, so THANK YOU, Mike and Leah. And, though as a Former-In it is hard to hear, thank you so very much, Mr. Jon Atack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible there is a truism from the original Student Hat course concerning &#8220;the amount of times over equals certainty and results.&#8221;  This Fair Game podcast I could really hear and absorb the content. I could truly take in and comprehend all that Leah, Mike, and Jon discussed. It affected me greatly as a Former-In and someone now out. I appreciate this podcast edition. It&#8217;s been genius to bring on Jon Atack. I don&#8217;t know if many of us give sufficient credit to the enormous research, consideration, and thought leadership of Atack, so THANK YOU, Mike and Leah. And, though as a Former-In it is hard to hear, thank you so very much, Mr. Jon Atack.</p>
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		By: Roger Larsson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Larsson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2021 13:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401846&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

We can try to believe in the words of Hubbard. Failures exist everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401846">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>We can try to believe in the words of Hubbard. Failures exist everywhere.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401846</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 11:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401459&quot;&gt;Roger Larsson&lt;/a&gt;.

Some years after I left scn a random transcendental or satori type of experience came upon me and I decided to test it in a couple of ways. I attempted to see how far back into the past I could look and what appeared to me was a foggy spiral mist receding into the distance and I left it at that. I guess I wasn&#039;t destined to discover any secrets of the universe at that time. lol

Hubbard/Scn obsessed with the past. Maybe he was hoping to discover The Equation Of Everything in metaphysical rather than scientific terms. In the 1960&#039;s and 1970&#039;s when widespread experimentation with LSD was going on there was a song with the lyric &quot;Come along with me and take a journey to the center of the mind.&quot; I  doubt anybody got there (and stayed there) with scn or LSD. lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401459">Roger Larsson</a>.</p>
<p>Some years after I left scn a random transcendental or satori type of experience came upon me and I decided to test it in a couple of ways. I attempted to see how far back into the past I could look and what appeared to me was a foggy spiral mist receding into the distance and I left it at that. I guess I wasn&#8217;t destined to discover any secrets of the universe at that time. lol</p>
<p>Hubbard/Scn obsessed with the past. Maybe he was hoping to discover The Equation Of Everything in metaphysical rather than scientific terms. In the 1960&#8217;s and 1970&#8217;s when widespread experimentation with LSD was going on there was a song with the lyric &#8220;Come along with me and take a journey to the center of the mind.&#8221; I  doubt anybody got there (and stayed there) with scn or LSD. lol</p>
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		By: Vanessa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanessa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 23:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RIP Ron Miscavige]]></description>
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		By: Richard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401740</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 14:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401455&quot;&gt;ISNOINews&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s a good and descriptive example of &quot;cult speak&quot; for anyone who never engaged in a cult. Translating cult lingo back into King&#039;s English and not using it in one&#039;s thinking is a big part of deprogramming oneself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401455">ISNOINews</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good and descriptive example of &#8220;cult speak&#8221; for anyone who never engaged in a cult. Translating cult lingo back into King&#8217;s English and not using it in one&#8217;s thinking is a big part of deprogramming oneself.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401605&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

Here&#039;s a fun music video from Ghost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oa_nbgE8M8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401605">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a fun music video from Ghost.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oa_nbgE8M8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oa_nbgE8M8</a></p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401729</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401605&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

That requires a bit of an explanation - lol 

A few years ago I was enjoying some rock and roll music from a mock Satanic musical group called &quot;Ghost&quot;. By looking up a lot of the words and terms in their lyrics I was getting a bit of an overview of the Occult. I posted a couple of their music videos which piqued George&#039;s interest and he went down the rabbit hole of doing a full scale investigation of the Occult as it relates to scn. I&#039;m not an Occultist - lol

BTW Occultism is not necessarily Satanic which is a misunderstanding I once had. It&#039;s just part of the human interest in the mystical and the supernatural.

from www.dictionary.com

occult
[ uh-kuhlt, ok-uhlt ]

See synonyms for: occult / occulted / occulting / occults on Thesaurus.com
adjective

of or relating to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.
beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or understanding; mysterious.
secret; disclosed or communicated only to the initiated.
hidden from view; concealed.

(in early science)
not apparent on mere inspection but discoverable by experimentation.
of a nature not understood, as physical qualities.
dealing with such qualities; experimental:
occult science.

Medicine/Medical. present in amounts too small to be visible:
a chemical test to detect occult blood in the stool.

noun
Usually the occult .
the supernatural or supernatural agencies and affairs considered as a whole.
occult studies or sciences.

verb (used with object)
to block or shut off (an object) from view; hide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401605">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>That requires a bit of an explanation &#8211; lol </p>
<p>A few years ago I was enjoying some rock and roll music from a mock Satanic musical group called &#8220;Ghost&#8221;. By looking up a lot of the words and terms in their lyrics I was getting a bit of an overview of the Occult. I posted a couple of their music videos which piqued George&#8217;s interest and he went down the rabbit hole of doing a full scale investigation of the Occult as it relates to scn. I&#8217;m not an Occultist &#8211; lol</p>
<p>BTW Occultism is not necessarily Satanic which is a misunderstanding I once had. It&#8217;s just part of the human interest in the mystical and the supernatural.</p>
<p>from <a href="http://www.dictionary.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dictionary.com</a></p>
<p>occult<br />
[ uh-kuhlt, ok-uhlt ]</p>
<p>See synonyms for: occult / occulted / occulting / occults on Thesaurus.com<br />
adjective</p>
<p>of or relating to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.<br />
beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or understanding; mysterious.<br />
secret; disclosed or communicated only to the initiated.<br />
hidden from view; concealed.</p>
<p>(in early science)<br />
not apparent on mere inspection but discoverable by experimentation.<br />
of a nature not understood, as physical qualities.<br />
dealing with such qualities; experimental:<br />
occult science.</p>
<p>Medicine/Medical. present in amounts too small to be visible:<br />
a chemical test to detect occult blood in the stool.</p>
<p>noun<br />
Usually the occult .<br />
the supernatural or supernatural agencies and affairs considered as a whole.<br />
occult studies or sciences.</p>
<p>verb (used with object)<br />
to block or shut off (an object) from view; hide.</p>
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		By: Xenos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 11:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Im saddened to hear of Ron&#039;s death, the kind of person you automatically warm to instantaneously even without meeting him. The kind of person that you feel you know and can trust, came accross as a trustworthy and nice guy.

It will be interesting to see if David has enough compassion left in him to acknowledge his fathers passing, if not then he is a very sad, dark hearted and miserable individual one that doesnt practice his organizations teachings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im saddened to hear of Ron&#8217;s death, the kind of person you automatically warm to instantaneously even without meeting him. The kind of person that you feel you know and can trust, came accross as a trustworthy and nice guy.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if David has enough compassion left in him to acknowledge his fathers passing, if not then he is a very sad, dark hearted and miserable individual one that doesnt practice his organizations teachings.</p>
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		By: georgemwhite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[georgemwhite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 00:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401651&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Great comments.  It took me thirty five years to get to the point of understanding Hubbard&#039;s damage.  Scientology sort of put my thinking into its own logic.  I mean when I thought there was always the heavy burden of the theory.  In reality, I never had any creative thoughts in Scientology despite doing creative processing.  In fact, Creative processing is very dangerous because one only goes into creations which are temporary.  I thought about the real damage that Hubbard did to me and realized it was 75% of an entire lifetime.  Before Scientology I regarded thinking, action and doing as very easy.  Scientology added an unnecessary layer of applying Hubbard.  When I wrote the effective code recently, I noticed that I approached the problem with a new perspective.  I was truly back out of the box.  I never could have written the effective new code with Scientology]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401651">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Great comments.  It took me thirty five years to get to the point of understanding Hubbard&#8217;s damage.  Scientology sort of put my thinking into its own logic.  I mean when I thought there was always the heavy burden of the theory.  In reality, I never had any creative thoughts in Scientology despite doing creative processing.  In fact, Creative processing is very dangerous because one only goes into creations which are temporary.  I thought about the real damage that Hubbard did to me and realized it was 75% of an entire lifetime.  Before Scientology I regarded thinking, action and doing as very easy.  Scientology added an unnecessary layer of applying Hubbard.  When I wrote the effective code recently, I noticed that I approached the problem with a new perspective.  I was truly back out of the box.  I never could have written the effective new code with Scientology</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2021 23:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401468&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

George, maybe scientology does the same thing to critical thinking skills that it does to acting skills - I think there&#039;s something to the theory I&#039;ve seen that auditing and processing puts actors through so much emotional catharsis in an attempt to &#039;flatten their buttons&#039; that their ability to draw on emotions gets dulled.  I also suspect it may dull their and other artists&#039; creativity by promoting a very formulaic view towards life and the world.

It&#039;s an interesting theory that intellectual skills might be similarly compromised.  Certainly, critical thinking is discouraged when it comes to Hubbard&#039;s teachings and Scientology, and perhaps that carries over into other areas of life as well.  That formulaic approach, and the attempt to continuously shoehorn everything into Hubbard doctrines from tone scales to org boards, may be a factor as well.

Hubbard based his management approach on early 20th century principles, adopted by the military, that did well for early assembly-line industry and large-scale warfare, but then faltered in the second half of the century as agility and quality become more important, most infamous epitomized in the Detroit auto industry&#039;s failure to keep up with the Japanese and, I&#039;d argue, in Vietnam as well (orchestrated in good part by former Ford executive MacNamara, with such infamous aspects as a focus on enemy body counts that were often as inflated, and irrelevant, as scientology &quot;stats&quot;).

I&#039;ve also noticed scientologists talking about just doing, without stopping to think.  That may work for some things, but is a bad approach to others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-47-the-life-and-lies-of-l-ron-hubbard-part-2/#comment-401468">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>George, maybe scientology does the same thing to critical thinking skills that it does to acting skills &#8211; I think there&#8217;s something to the theory I&#8217;ve seen that auditing and processing puts actors through so much emotional catharsis in an attempt to &#8216;flatten their buttons&#8217; that their ability to draw on emotions gets dulled.  I also suspect it may dull their and other artists&#8217; creativity by promoting a very formulaic view towards life and the world.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting theory that intellectual skills might be similarly compromised.  Certainly, critical thinking is discouraged when it comes to Hubbard&#8217;s teachings and Scientology, and perhaps that carries over into other areas of life as well.  That formulaic approach, and the attempt to continuously shoehorn everything into Hubbard doctrines from tone scales to org boards, may be a factor as well.</p>
<p>Hubbard based his management approach on early 20th century principles, adopted by the military, that did well for early assembly-line industry and large-scale warfare, but then faltered in the second half of the century as agility and quality become more important, most infamous epitomized in the Detroit auto industry&#8217;s failure to keep up with the Japanese and, I&#8217;d argue, in Vietnam as well (orchestrated in good part by former Ford executive MacNamara, with such infamous aspects as a focus on enemy body counts that were often as inflated, and irrelevant, as scientology &#8220;stats&#8221;).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed scientologists talking about just doing, without stopping to think.  That may work for some things, but is a bad approach to others.</p>
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