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	Comments on: Episode 56: Mat Pesch Former Scientology Finance Guy	</title>
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		By: Mark Plummer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 17:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411851&quot;&gt;Real&lt;/a&gt;.

ASHO had listen-in devices installed at least as early as 1975. I can say this with 100% certainty because I was posted in ASHO Treasury at the time, and I witnessed them being used. The reg area was adjacent to ASHO Treasury.

In all likelihood, the listen-in devices were probably installed in the summer of 1974 since LRH ED 236 Int was issued in July of &#039;74. I can&#039;t say they were in use in 1974 because I didn&#039;t go on staff at ASHO until the following year. I could (and probably will) ask my old friend, Carl Carlson, since he was Commanding Officer ASHO Foundation in 1974.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411851">Real</a>.</p>
<p>ASHO had listen-in devices installed at least as early as 1975. I can say this with 100% certainty because I was posted in ASHO Treasury at the time, and I witnessed them being used. The reg area was adjacent to ASHO Treasury.</p>
<p>In all likelihood, the listen-in devices were probably installed in the summer of 1974 since LRH ED 236 Int was issued in July of &#8217;74. I can&#8217;t say they were in use in 1974 because I didn&#8217;t go on staff at ASHO until the following year. I could (and probably will) ask my old friend, Carl Carlson, since he was Commanding Officer ASHO Foundation in 1974.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Real]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411682&quot;&gt;Mark Plummer&lt;/a&gt;.

That would have been in the 90&#039;s at the earliest.  AOLA had them in around &#039;86.  Ivan O. used to listen from his office when he was C.O..  FLOG didn&#039;t get them until later too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411682">Mark Plummer</a>.</p>
<p>That would have been in the 90&#8217;s at the earliest.  AOLA had them in around &#8217;86.  Ivan O. used to listen from his office when he was C.O..  FLOG didn&#8217;t get them until later too.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 20:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411218&quot;&gt;mat pesch&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow thanks for the info.  Now I know why Hy Levy, my Flag reg, would always ask me to go outside with him to smoke.  No recorders outside.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411218">mat pesch</a>.</p>
<p>Wow thanks for the info.  Now I know why Hy Levy, my Flag reg, would always ask me to go outside with him to smoke.  No recorders outside.</p>
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		By: Mark Plummer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Plummer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 18:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411667&quot;&gt;Real&lt;/a&gt;.

They were in use at ASHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411667">Real</a>.</p>
<p>They were in use at ASHO.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Real]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 16:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411256&quot;&gt;Mark Plummer&lt;/a&gt;.

Mark, staff don&#039;t get pay.  LOL!!!!!!!  Not in any meaningful measure anyway.

But really the only orgs I&#039;ve seen the hidden recorders in were AOLA &#038; FLOG and they don&#039;t pay there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411256">Mark Plummer</a>.</p>
<p>Mark, staff don&#8217;t get pay.  LOL!!!!!!!  Not in any meaningful measure anyway.</p>
<p>But really the only orgs I&#8217;ve seen the hidden recorders in were AOLA &amp; FLOG and they don&#8217;t pay there.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Real]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 14:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The whole insanity of upper Orgs NEEDING Reges (in fact ANY &quot;clear&quot; NEEDED to be regg&#039;ed) is what lead me out of the scam when I was young.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole insanity of upper Orgs NEEDING Reges (in fact ANY &#8220;clear&#8221; NEEDED to be regg&#8217;ed) is what lead me out of the scam when I was young.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Real]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 13:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411161&quot;&gt;Mark Kamran&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;If IRS picks it up, then the donor may take the plea it being a ”pledge” .&quot;

Mark, the IRS doesn&#039;t care if people donate money to anything.  In fact for non-profits no donor would lie to the IRS and say it was only a pledge as then they couldn&#039;t do a write down...  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411161">Mark Kamran</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;If IRS picks it up, then the donor may take the plea it being a ”pledge” .&#8221;</p>
<p>Mark, the IRS doesn&#8217;t care if people donate money to anything.  In fact for non-profits no donor would lie to the IRS and say it was only a pledge as then they couldn&#8217;t do a write down&#8230;  😉</p>
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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[unelectedfloofgoofer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2021 06:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very good talk about the financial scams the cult keeps getting away with. The Flag Land Base is like a giant magnet for your wallet that won&#039;t even stop sucking when it&#039;s empty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good talk about the financial scams the cult keeps getting away with. The Flag Land Base is like a giant magnet for your wallet that won&#8217;t even stop sucking when it&#8217;s empty.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peridot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 23:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411226&quot;&gt;Anne Hill&lt;/a&gt;.

To Anne - I echo your heartbreak here. Mike&#039;s report strikes me as thoroughly true. I remember being on the Freewinds, possibly this was 2009. A new way to apply a ton of pressure to visiting public to donate large sums of money to the various Freewinds&#039; &quot;mankind betterment&quot; campaigns was to tell us that Sea Org members aboard the Freewinds had taken on and maxed out credit cards for donations to these &quot;important campaigns&quot; themselves. 

&quot;Anything to help,&quot; one aging Sea Org member told me. 

I just knew this was upside-down and wrong; implausible how someone who makes $50 a week could keep up with card payments on a $10,000 or more balance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411226">Anne Hill</a>.</p>
<p>To Anne &#8211; I echo your heartbreak here. Mike&#8217;s report strikes me as thoroughly true. I remember being on the Freewinds, possibly this was 2009. A new way to apply a ton of pressure to visiting public to donate large sums of money to the various Freewinds&#8217; &#8220;mankind betterment&#8221; campaigns was to tell us that Sea Org members aboard the Freewinds had taken on and maxed out credit cards for donations to these &#8220;important campaigns&#8221; themselves. </p>
<p>&#8220;Anything to help,&#8221; one aging Sea Org member told me. </p>
<p>I just knew this was upside-down and wrong; implausible how someone who makes $50 a week could keep up with card payments on a $10,000 or more balance.</p>
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		By: KaylarDSR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KaylarDSR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 14:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411367&quot;&gt;Geoff Levin&lt;/a&gt;.

This is what I was afraid of.  As if humans don&#039;t do enough to the animals we share this planet with, then scientology has to pile on.  I&#039;ll be on the lookout for these type of loathsome scammers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/episode-56-mat-pesch-former-scientology-finance-guy/#comment-411367">Geoff Levin</a>.</p>
<p>This is what I was afraid of.  As if humans don&#8217;t do enough to the animals we share this planet with, then scientology has to pile on.  I&#8217;ll be on the lookout for these type of loathsome scammers.</p>
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