Loved this episode. As a Christian, knowing the unconditional love of Christ, my heart always hurts for the stories & experiences of the former Scientologists featured on the show & podcast & for the people still in, too.

The mental & emotional trauma their “religion” has caused them is pure evil. My heart goes out to the children most of all. They have no choice. Keep up the good work! You’re making a difference!

While in this group, I would have answered it this way: “Well, a Scientologist is someone who believes that man is basically good and works on improving himself and his life through scientology principles in order to help mankind and to be an ethical, productive member of society.” I believed that once until I discovered through the way I was treated (and then later discovered others were treated) by the “church” that not only did it NOT believe I was basically good but also was doing its best to extract as much money as possible through fraud, deceit and lies to enhance ONLY the life of david miscavige via “The Church of Scientology.”

Now a days someone in the church of scientology has to actively look away to not know the truth about this vile group. There is too much out there in the way of blogs, books, internet, documentaries/series. There are too many empty buildings, so few members to not know that something is wrong.

Christian or not, these are values that I associate with.

Apparently the opposite of Scientology values.

Ask me how I know.

Thanks Bruce.

You always were the smartest guy in the room.

Still are….

You know the weasel words: Hubbard supposedly discovered the basics underlying all religions, there is some tape where Hubbard said you could be a good Christian and a Scientologist, Scientology has a cross and a church or chapel…. Sunday Service!. What’s special about a Sunday in Scientology? In the Sea Org at the Int Base that was the day to do your laundry in the morning.

So I went along being as “good” a Christian you can be if you never share communion and swear like a sailor constantly. Nobody told me I couldn’t pray for deliverance from Dave.

Willy kind of dances around the terminology but it is quite correct to call Scientology satanic. Remember Genesis 3:5, the “serpent” tempting Eve to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge:

For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Those who promise you godhood are friends of Satan. Pretty simple.

So you understand I never heard the “Jesus was a pedophile” line until I was out of Scientology. But Hubbard didn’t invent or discover the idea. There is a hint of it in Matthew 14:51 according to some, but the evidence is pretty weak. Really this idea comes from a fragment of parchment apparently discovered in a library. Known as the “Secret Gospel of Mark”, there is a lot of dispute about its veracity. More information here https://apologeticspress.org/was-jesus-gayan-examination-of-the-secret-gospel-of-mark-1431/

Really the idea is just a cheap shot by Hubbard. The idea of unconditional love, or really love of any kind, is incomprehensible to a malignant narcissist. So it all has to be fake or feigned or disreputable. That’s why he didn’t put it on his “Emotional Tone Scale”. He didn’t get it.

Thanks for the link. I was going to point this out that LRH denies the resurrection of Christ. Therefore you cannot be a Christian and a Scientologist.

Well, first and most obvious – I thought Jesus was an implant. In which case, how can he be anything? There should be no “be” involved here at all, if he never existed.

Second, in re that quote – using that logic, Scientology “inevitably” leads to EST, or for that matter Charlie Manson. He studied Scientology, and look what that got us.

publishing confidential OT Scamology materials that the world was not ready for…….

Insane cult leader L. Ron Hubbard warned of this in his “Scriptures”……..

(sarc)