If DM says I stole his lobb shoes and had an affair with his mistress and you believe him and take his advice to disconnect from the SP dchoice, as an adult, has a harm of slander been committed by him only or has our friendship suffered a tort by your disconnection even though you thought it a freedom and a right. It is a right to disconnect, but still, at least as I view it in such a case an egregiously induced tort or harm. Please note I have zero legal training and ‘ as defined in statutes I may be erroniius in my stance or use of tort.

Hi Peace. I’m only re stating what they said on the show. Don’t shoot the messenger. 🙂

Catharsis is a word which points that hypnotic feeling you get from these practices.

It starts with the first handshake with the cult and goes down till you know HE is the luciferic angel as he wanted zu be since he was about 30 of age.

What a Crank! 500 Million old Dollars setasides only to keep his name at any price eternal. Who was more crank: HE or Hitler?

And we believed all this 🙁

Very Good Statement!

“Disconnection is often a form of tort = harm”

WRONG. Adults HAVE the right of freedom of association. As such it CANNOT be a tort.

Thanks, old man Winter. This is a good explanation in Hubbards Criminal mind!

Diana, when I look into things I find that that the ugly side of Scientology can be traced back to Hubbard himself, and found in traits that LRH exhibited from beginning to end. And I see that many others seem to have come to the same conclusion.

The most obvious precursor to The Hole that I can come up with is that Hubbard personally ordered people, including children, confined to the “chain locker” on the Apollo for weeks at a time. He also established the RPF to handle greater numbers of people, and then when he saw people he thought were not sufficiently cowed by that experience, created the RPF’s RPF.

Then there was also “overboarding” including of people who couldn’t swim, and the infamous incident in which Hubbard had Charlie Reisdorf and another man push peanuts around on the wooden deck until their noses bled (did Lois ever get back with her promised fact-check on the details of that?). And the Introspection Rundown definitely amounts to false imprisonment.

In the final years in California, Hubbard escalated the issuing of orders for individuals to be spat at and slapped by his messengers that had began on the ship. Jesse Prince says that DM’s violence towards others started with Hubbard ordering DM to slap people.

And if you want to go back in LRH’s life, just look at how he abused and psychologically terrorized his first two wives, particularly Sarah Northrup, the second wife he later claimed he “never had”. The most sensational charges that I’ve seen from that era are the kidnappings of both Sarah and their daughter Alexis, but it wouldn’t be surprising if false imprisonment was involved as well.

Their justice system is a joke. I’ve proof of that fact … eg; I have data that a Comm Ev where they stated the person was innocent on every charge, had Recommendations which included Sec Checking, Amends and on a TM or else they wouldn’t lift the SP Declare that they themselves said was off-policy. Their justice system is a kangaroo court and they don’t even follow their own LRH policies, instead bowing to the pressure put on them by OSA/Miscavige. The grand inquisition. Everyone is guilty. These evil culties demand total obedience or total annihilation. There is no “lesser” form to their extremism.

They make their enemies. Even those, like myself who just wanted to walk away. They had to throw stones to try to be right. Well, now they have another enemy. One with resources, one with full documentation of their crimes and incompetence. And one with plenty of time and patience.

I pity tyrants. They’ve lost the most important thing:

“What shall it profit a man, if he should gain the whole world and lose his own soul.” – MARK 8:36

DM created the Hole. That wasn’t LRH’s.