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		By: Britt Backman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Britt Backman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2020 23:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328728&quot;&gt;ValR&lt;/a&gt;.

That’s one of the questions that we on the “never in” side always ask ourselves! Ok, I shouldn’t speak for everyone, obviously, but that’s always been my number 1 WTF. Or more specifically, how is it that any gains by this supposed knowledge can all come crashing down so quickly? How is it that doing these courses gives you the “power” to confront, yet none of them seem to be able to get past screeching and regurgitating their script? How is it that you can see Tommy Davis or Mike Rinders ex-wife on TV discussing how disconnection does NOT exist, when you, as a Scientologist, know for a fact it does? Cognitive dissonance and all it’s remarkable bad effects strikes again!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328728">ValR</a>.</p>
<p>That’s one of the questions that we on the “never in” side always ask ourselves! Ok, I shouldn’t speak for everyone, obviously, but that’s always been my number 1 WTF. Or more specifically, how is it that any gains by this supposed knowledge can all come crashing down so quickly? How is it that doing these courses gives you the “power” to confront, yet none of them seem to be able to get past screeching and regurgitating their script? How is it that you can see Tommy Davis or Mike Rinders ex-wife on TV discussing how disconnection does NOT exist, when you, as a Scientologist, know for a fact it does? Cognitive dissonance and all it’s remarkable bad effects strikes again!</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Feb 2020 04:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328939&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua, thanks for that insight and detail.  It gives me a better picture of what&#039;s going on in the small and failing orgs - and the larger and only marginally better-off ones.  I hadn&#039;t realized they were being undermined quite like that, but then again it further explains their plight.

I can only imagine what&#039;s going on at the Ventura mission.  My guess is that the mission holder is being told they have to keep the location open in expectation of the &quot;boom&quot; the relocated &quot;ideal&quot; org is supposed to create, and yet is being ripped off of staff and customers in ways similar to what you described.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328939">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua, thanks for that insight and detail.  It gives me a better picture of what&#8217;s going on in the small and failing orgs &#8211; and the larger and only marginally better-off ones.  I hadn&#8217;t realized they were being undermined quite like that, but then again it further explains their plight.</p>
<p>I can only imagine what&#8217;s going on at the Ventura mission.  My guess is that the mission holder is being told they have to keep the location open in expectation of the &#8220;boom&#8221; the relocated &#8220;ideal&#8221; org is supposed to create, and yet is being ripped off of staff and customers in ways similar to what you described.</p>
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		By: Peter Blood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Blood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2020 00:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The balloon release disaster and subsequent negative PR in Ventura is now even being reported in the mainstream press at CNN.  Loving it!  $cions are their own worst suppressive enemies.  Captain Davey Clusterf*ck at your service!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/26/us/scientology-balloons-plastic-ban-trnd/index.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The balloon release disaster and subsequent negative PR in Ventura is now even being reported in the mainstream press at CNN.  Loving it!  $cions are their own worst suppressive enemies.  Captain Davey Clusterf*ck at your service!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/26/us/scientology-balloons-plastic-ban-trnd/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/26/us/scientology-balloons-plastic-ban-trnd/index.html</a></p>
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		By: Stefani A Hutchison		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stefani A Hutchison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 23:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He does love yanking his ribbon...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He does love yanking his ribbon&#8230;</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328939</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 21:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328895&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Peacemaker,
In answer to your questions, from what I knew at the time,  there were 3 OTs taken from my org.  Two were execs and long term staff.  One was a long time public who had been intending to join staff at my org, the little org,  because it had been HER original org before she went OTVIII.  She was then convinced to not sign a contract and instead join staff at the one going Ideal.  Now, from what I recall, these 2 exec OTs were never replaced.  

Hmm... and now that my memory has been gently prodded, I&#039;m recalling that it was in fact more than one long time public taken; I recall now that  3 public were taken - two of them OTs (who also joined staff at the Ideal Org) and one guy who was low on the Bridge, had no job and was not a good student but who at the same time was comfortably supported by his family.  I&#039;m not sure if he ever joined staff at the Ideal but he did switch orgs as a public, that much I know.

In brief, my former little org lost 2 existing staff who were execs and never (to my knowledge) replaced as well as 2 OTVIII long term public  who had been intending to join staff  and one public.  

This org of mine was not doing well at the time anyway; they were desperate for staff then anyway.  The staff reg cycles were getting ridiculous in their frequency.  And then, boom, they got moon-ripped and from what I observed  - not necessarily at the time understanding much about WHAT I was seeing nor why it was happening -  from that point on the org just kept getting emptier and emptier. When I left there were hardly any staff - maybe 8 real staff, and a couple of volunteers, one of them acting as the Ethics Officer and another in Treasury.  The HGC had a PC or 2. 
 The courseroom was a joke.  Div 6 courseroom having long been collapsed into the Div 4 Academy, the courseroom was empty during the weekdays - one or two students at best (I was one of them) and in the evenings maybe 4 or 5 students, weekends maybe 10 students, most of whom were on the Basics.   As LRH would say, &quot;A limping scene&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328895">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Peacemaker,<br />
In answer to your questions, from what I knew at the time,  there were 3 OTs taken from my org.  Two were execs and long term staff.  One was a long time public who had been intending to join staff at my org, the little org,  because it had been HER original org before she went OTVIII.  She was then convinced to not sign a contract and instead join staff at the one going Ideal.  Now, from what I recall, these 2 exec OTs were never replaced.  </p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; and now that my memory has been gently prodded, I&#8217;m recalling that it was in fact more than one long time public taken; I recall now that  3 public were taken &#8211; two of them OTs (who also joined staff at the Ideal Org) and one guy who was low on the Bridge, had no job and was not a good student but who at the same time was comfortably supported by his family.  I&#8217;m not sure if he ever joined staff at the Ideal but he did switch orgs as a public, that much I know.</p>
<p>In brief, my former little org lost 2 existing staff who were execs and never (to my knowledge) replaced as well as 2 OTVIII long term public  who had been intending to join staff  and one public.  </p>
<p>This org of mine was not doing well at the time anyway; they were desperate for staff then anyway.  The staff reg cycles were getting ridiculous in their frequency.  And then, boom, they got moon-ripped and from what I observed  &#8211; not necessarily at the time understanding much about WHAT I was seeing nor why it was happening &#8211;  from that point on the org just kept getting emptier and emptier. When I left there were hardly any staff &#8211; maybe 8 real staff, and a couple of volunteers, one of them acting as the Ethics Officer and another in Treasury.  The HGC had a PC or 2.<br />
 The courseroom was a joke.  Div 6 courseroom having long been collapsed into the Div 4 Academy, the courseroom was empty during the weekdays &#8211; one or two students at best (I was one of them) and in the evenings maybe 4 or 5 students, weekends maybe 10 students, most of whom were on the Basics.   As LRH would say, &#8220;A limping scene&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328922&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry for typos and grammar. I really must stop this sloppy bang-out-and-post habit of mine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328922">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry for typos and grammar. I really must stop this sloppy bang-out-and-post habit of mine.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 19:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328890&quot;&gt;ValR&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow.  OK.  Wow. Thank you. Hmm...

 Well, I&#039;ll go the distance and opine that she&#039;s taking  good care of them and that they&#039;re happy. She said she has someone on the payroll specifically to take care of them and that she feeds them &quot;organic&quot; which I take to mean organic greens because lemurs are not carnivores.  I&#039;ll opine that they probably get a lot of attention and interaction from her because she has an affinity for lemurs and from the caretaker.

THAT SAID, she should NOT be telling all and sundry via a People Mag interview that she keeps LEMURS as pets! 
 That might make her interesting to write about but its irresponsible of her to let this information  out to the general public, some of whom might then copycat her and get lemurs as pets for all the wrong reasons.  However loved and well cared for they are and however happy they may WITH HER, they belong in their natural habitat (which I understand is highly endangered) or in a sanctuary.   Copycat People Mag readers will be buying these as pets for all the wrong reasons and when the novelty wears off and the reality of how much work and expense their upkeep entails sets in the poor creatures could end up in a zoo or dead.  Very irresponsible of her to allow an article like this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328890">ValR</a>.</p>
<p>Wow.  OK.  Wow. Thank you. Hmm&#8230;</p>
<p> Well, I&#8217;ll go the distance and opine that she&#8217;s taking  good care of them and that they&#8217;re happy. She said she has someone on the payroll specifically to take care of them and that she feeds them &#8220;organic&#8221; which I take to mean organic greens because lemurs are not carnivores.  I&#8217;ll opine that they probably get a lot of attention and interaction from her because she has an affinity for lemurs and from the caretaker.</p>
<p>THAT SAID, she should NOT be telling all and sundry via a People Mag interview that she keeps LEMURS as pets!<br />
 That might make her interesting to write about but its irresponsible of her to let this information  out to the general public, some of whom might then copycat her and get lemurs as pets for all the wrong reasons.  However loved and well cared for they are and however happy they may WITH HER, they belong in their natural habitat (which I understand is highly endangered) or in a sanctuary.   Copycat People Mag readers will be buying these as pets for all the wrong reasons and when the novelty wears off and the reality of how much work and expense their upkeep entails sets in the poor creatures could end up in a zoo or dead.  Very irresponsible of her to allow an article like this.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328833&quot;&gt;LoosingMyReligion&lt;/a&gt;.

LoosingMyReligion:   I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if DM&#039;s recently screwing up the LRH birthday celebrations —  holding them weeks ahead of time or &#039;way late — is intentional.  Hey, he doesn&#039;t want to remind the clapping clams that LRH DID invent scientology out of whole cloth and that DM wasn&#039;t ALWAYS the only &quot;source&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328833">LoosingMyReligion</a>.</p>
<p>LoosingMyReligion:   I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if DM&#8217;s recently screwing up the LRH birthday celebrations —  holding them weeks ahead of time or &#8216;way late — is intentional.  Hey, he doesn&#8217;t want to remind the clapping clams that LRH DID invent scientology out of whole cloth and that DM wasn&#8217;t ALWAYS the only &#8220;source&#8221;.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328882&quot;&gt;Ruby&lt;/a&gt;.

Ruby, I&#039;m not Mike, but believe NO one will bother his eminence with such trivialities, and if he DOES hear about it, he&#039;ll dismiss those naysayers as CSCI DBs at best.  Davey gets what he wants WHEN he wants, if not before, or heads roll.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/even-more-on-ventura/#comment-328882">Ruby</a>.</p>
<p>Ruby, I&#8217;m not Mike, but believe NO one will bother his eminence with such trivialities, and if he DOES hear about it, he&#8217;ll dismiss those naysayers as CSCI DBs at best.  Davey gets what he wants WHEN he wants, if not before, or heads roll.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did anyone else notice that the group &quot;I grew up in Ventura California&quot; is larger than ALL of scientology?
scientology in Ventura MIGHT be 50-100 members, I suppose; probably fewer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else notice that the group &#8220;I grew up in Ventura California&#8221; is larger than ALL of scientology?<br />
scientology in Ventura MIGHT be 50-100 members, I suppose; probably fewer.</p>
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