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		By: Sparticus		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-385640</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sparticus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2021 12:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382039&quot;&gt;Vivian&lt;/a&gt;.

Chick Corea actually completed the &#039;New OT VIII&#039; three times, as published in freewinds service completion notices on April 1991, August 1991 and May 2016. 

I have no idea why someone would complete the OT VIII three times...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382039">Vivian</a>.</p>
<p>Chick Corea actually completed the &#8216;New OT VIII&#8217; three times, as published in freewinds service completion notices on April 1991, August 1991 and May 2016. </p>
<p>I have no idea why someone would complete the OT VIII three times&#8230;</p>
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		By: Forreal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forreal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2021 22:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[5,000 through Oat Tea Ate?  There aren&#039;t near than many Solo Nuts completions still standing  to make that number.  But anything to keep the sheeple minds off of the fact that no higher OT levels exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5,000 through Oat Tea Ate?  There aren&#8217;t near than many Solo Nuts completions still standing  to make that number.  But anything to keep the sheeple minds off of the fact that no higher OT levels exist.</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rip Van Winkle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2021 13:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382128&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

A staff member lives on a feast and famine diet of &quot;Gung-Ho&quot;.

and once you&#039;re OT you&#039;re left with no mystique, a big status, and a pocket full of reasons.

It works best if you keep them un-audited those first few decades on staff.  The &quot;full of vim&quot; years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382128">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>A staff member lives on a feast and famine diet of &#8220;Gung-Ho&#8221;.</p>
<p>and once you&#8217;re OT you&#8217;re left with no mystique, a big status, and a pocket full of reasons.</p>
<p>It works best if you keep them un-audited those first few decades on staff.  The &#8220;full of vim&#8221; years.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peridot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2021 00:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382083&quot;&gt;Rip Van Winkle&lt;/a&gt;.

To Rip Van Winkle: Indeed, indeed. Org staff are truly un-sung. I wonder if others in this blog community have seen or been one of these dedicated staff who is a full-time staff member for two, three, or four decades, and makes Bridge progress that is minor or near non-existent. Scientology&#039;s true sentiment toward labor and people who are doing the work is something to observe. How are these individuals are treated? They are treated abysmally. Thank goodness, now, for those who get out, they have an option of appealing for help from The Aftermath Foundation to re-start and get on their feet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382083">Rip Van Winkle</a>.</p>
<p>To Rip Van Winkle: Indeed, indeed. Org staff are truly un-sung. I wonder if others in this blog community have seen or been one of these dedicated staff who is a full-time staff member for two, three, or four decades, and makes Bridge progress that is minor or near non-existent. Scientology&#8217;s true sentiment toward labor and people who are doing the work is something to observe. How are these individuals are treated? They are treated abysmally. Thank goodness, now, for those who get out, they have an option of appealing for help from The Aftermath Foundation to re-start and get on their feet.</p>
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		By: Red Dwarf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Red Dwarf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-381920&quot;&gt;Todd Cray&lt;/a&gt;.

This is disinfo, he never had a second wife. :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-381920">Todd Cray</a>.</p>
<p>This is disinfo, he never had a second wife. 😀</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-381885&quot;&gt;TrevAnon&lt;/a&gt;.

Trev, I see a figure of 2,400 OTVIIIs cited, so I assume that is the total count as of then, at least according to whatever information and accounting is represented in that thread you linked to.  From what I&#039;ve seen Scientology appears to be adding about 100 per year, so the count could be around 1,000 higher at this point, though as always there&#039;s the question of how many are re-dos.

However, quite a few of those will have died by now - some even leaving behind prepayments for OTIX - and many seem to blow after reaching that level; I think I&#039;ve seen figures of around half dropping away, which probably says a lot about how people feel once they&#039;ve reached the supposed (current) pinaccle of attainment in the CofS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-381885">TrevAnon</a>.</p>
<p>Trev, I see a figure of 2,400 OTVIIIs cited, so I assume that is the total count as of then, at least according to whatever information and accounting is represented in that thread you linked to.  From what I&#8217;ve seen Scientology appears to be adding about 100 per year, so the count could be around 1,000 higher at this point, though as always there&#8217;s the question of how many are re-dos.</p>
<p>However, quite a few of those will have died by now &#8211; some even leaving behind prepayments for OTIX &#8211; and many seem to blow after reaching that level; I think I&#8217;ve seen figures of around half dropping away, which probably says a lot about how people feel once they&#8217;ve reached the supposed (current) pinaccle of attainment in the CofS.</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382083</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rip Van Winkle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2021 14:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-381980&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

Great comment.

There&#039;s massive massive pressure on OT VIIs and VIII&#039;s to contribute.  

Over the years that push comes and goes, but ever since the Ideal Org push, the OT Committee involvement is no longer optional.  

You nailed it with OTs coming back and not joining staff, or finishing a contract and not re-signing.  

We never had a lot of OTs on staff.  

The staff were always the most un-audited, untrained lot about.  Except for Admin training maybe.

(and we all had thick ethics files)  (back then, public rarely got reported, and staff of course were always getting KRed)

(that&#039;s why you always find the SPs on staff, right?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-381980">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>Great comment.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s massive massive pressure on OT VIIs and VIII&#8217;s to contribute.  </p>
<p>Over the years that push comes and goes, but ever since the Ideal Org push, the OT Committee involvement is no longer optional.  </p>
<p>You nailed it with OTs coming back and not joining staff, or finishing a contract and not re-signing.  </p>
<p>We never had a lot of OTs on staff.  </p>
<p>The staff were always the most un-audited, untrained lot about.  Except for Admin training maybe.</p>
<p>(and we all had thick ethics files)  (back then, public rarely got reported, and staff of course were always getting KRed)</p>
<p>(that&#8217;s why you always find the SPs on staff, right?)</p>
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		By: Susan Harbison		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2021 01:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382037&quot;&gt;Doug Sprinkle&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-382037">Doug Sprinkle</a>.</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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		By: Vivian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vivian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2021 00:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sort of related... I was reading about Chick Corea, who sadly passed away last week from cancer, and I was curious if he was still involved in the group. I read that he was a *double* OT VIII -- that he&#039;d done it twice. What is the reason for doing it twice?

Is it considered a huge flunk to get cancer as an OT VIII? I got very sad thinking that he may have died thinking he&#039;d done something wrong and blaming himself  :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of related&#8230; I was reading about Chick Corea, who sadly passed away last week from cancer, and I was curious if he was still involved in the group. I read that he was a *double* OT VIII &#8212; that he&#8217;d done it twice. What is the reason for doing it twice?</p>
<p>Is it considered a huge flunk to get cancer as an OT VIII? I got very sad thinking that he may have died thinking he&#8217;d done something wrong and blaming himself  🙁</p>
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		By: Doug Sprinkle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Sprinkle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2021 23:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-381906&quot;&gt;Susan Harbison&lt;/a&gt;.

Only until I learned that the OT VIIIs would stop it from happening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/first-5000-ot-viiis/#comment-381906">Susan Harbison</a>.</p>
<p>Only until I learned that the OT VIIIs would stop it from happening.</p>
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