Yes , dear Richard ; I am familiar with Alan Walter’s allegations regarding that. For more on this , please see my reply to Roger from Switzerland.

TC

By the way , by reading Will Duran’s “History of Philosophy”- a book that introduced philosophy to the layman- one would gain more understanding of life and livingness , Right v/s Wrong , than in all of LRH’s. Another masterpiece worth taking the time to read.

TC

It was never his discovery ; in fact the clearing of terms and associating them with the objects and actions they represent (the subject of “Mass” and “Conceptual Understanding”) , is as old as ancient Greece when Socrates discussed that subject intensely with his pupil Plato. Unfortunately , Socrates didn’t leave any writings behind. But reading most of Plato one can then learn about Socrates. “The beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms” , Socrates allegedly said. Korzybski’s General Semantics also covers that point in depth.

Very few things that LRH wrote are his original works if ANY really is at all. For example in General Semantics one finds the concept of “Identification” (A=A=A) as related to involuntary words associations. In Emile Coue’s “Self Mastery Through Conscious Autosuggestion” one find a VERY interesting description of the “Unconscious” and the power of “Subconscious Suggestions”. We also discover the description of the “Positive Postulate” , and the relation of past hidden postulates to abnormal behavior , sickness , and general unhappiness. Really a masterpiece. If one carefully reads Freud instead of believing LRH’s bullshit about him , one would also find a lot of DNs and Scn’s ideas in Freud.

So , LRH wasn’t original at almost anything.

TC

Got it , Gorillavee ; thanks for the clarification. I agree that the KTL was sold as THE “solution” to social decay , and that it is very , very far from being capable of accomplishing that. W/out all the hype (impressed in the mind with hypnotic-type of suggestions) LRH would have gone totally broke . Scientology is the greatest deceit in the subject of psychotherapy that has ever happened in the last century.

“Nun Tech”. So funny, kemist. I went to public school but a number of my childhood friends went to Catholic School. Being a Bride of Christ was a tough job in those days, apparently. These kids had recurring black and blue marks on their bodies all thru elementary school. One of them got good grades because she liked to study and the others, well, all that physical discipline must have really toughened them up because if and/or when they got whacked at school that meant an automatic whacking by a parent later at home. When they got older and turned a corner, they didn’t do it by half.

Funny!

Thanks, trdunsworth. I think you’re right and that they see a perpetual carrot before their noses. They keep trying to get a bite of that carrot. Sad.

In my life I’ve been hoodwinked (big time)and made an utter fool of (big time) on a number of occasions and in a number of ways in my life, but being convinced to re-do courses and auditing actions does not number among them.

I think because I had the Data Series under my belt and because I had actually experienced real gains as a person and in my life from my auditing and courses, it was unreal to me that I should do them again.

I had gotten my carrots from these actions.

No one was ever able to convince me that I needed to do these things over and pay for them again.

I answered these attempts to reg me for stuff already done in this calm way:

“Where was QUAL when this course (auditing, etc) was being delivered to me? If there were outpoints in the course (auditing action, etc.) its not MY problem. This is RTC’s out-qual, not mine”.

This always went over very well 🙂

I think, even though I’m a “Never In” I do understand it. I have a lot of friends who bounce from the next new age phenomenon to the next. Reading a lot of this, as someone interested in religion; I keep getting the impression that it is fairly easy to get someone to repeat the levels and basics. They read about the tremendous wins, much like my friends would read about the intense spiritual experiences others would have with this diet, or those crystals, or this culture’s medicine path, and they think, “I’m not getting the same wins, so I must be doing it wrong/doing the right path”, etc.

So they go back and re-do everything thinking, this time, it will be different. “I’ll get the wins/expected experience”. When it doesn’t turn out to be what they thought, they go back and do it again. It’s still craving something more profound, more powerful than self, deeper than the life perceived.

Granted, having said this, I don’t have the answers either. I just muddle my way through like anyone else. My difference is that I try to check myself before I go too far.