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		By: Ms.P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ms.P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 03:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53031&quot;&gt;Ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Hallie - spot on as usual. So agree with you, we all had our own experiences in Scientology. And I also followed my Code of Honor and just annoyed MANY with ignoring their arbitraries. Many a time some idiot would try to get me to do something ridiculous and say the obvious, &quot;well that&#039;s what LRH says&quot; and many a time I replied with, &quot;well that&#039;s ridiculous I guess I&#039;ll have to write Ron a letter and tell him so&quot;! Needless to say there was always a horrified look on the others face. Which always delighted me. Even back then I knew better but continued with blind faith. Oh well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53031">Ken</a>.</p>
<p>Hallie &#8211; spot on as usual. So agree with you, we all had our own experiences in Scientology. And I also followed my Code of Honor and just annoyed MANY with ignoring their arbitraries. Many a time some idiot would try to get me to do something ridiculous and say the obvious, &#8220;well that&#8217;s what LRH says&#8221; and many a time I replied with, &#8220;well that&#8217;s ridiculous I guess I&#8217;ll have to write Ron a letter and tell him so&#8221;! Needless to say there was always a horrified look on the others face. Which always delighted me. Even back then I knew better but continued with blind faith. Oh well.</p>
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		By: Rob Thomas		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53056</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 17:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didnt see DSE or David Singer Enterprises on the list of Clearwater businesses on course. What happened? Do they leave him alone after making him pay millions in royalties to WISE?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didnt see DSE or David Singer Enterprises on the list of Clearwater businesses on course. What happened? Do they leave him alone after making him pay millions in royalties to WISE?</p>
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		By: LDW		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53044</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53017&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike,
Since you can count on them to lie by at least an order of magnitude of 10X, that would mean 1,400 in Clearwater.  Probably fairly accurate if you include all the staff and RPFers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53017">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Mike,<br />
Since you can count on them to lie by at least an order of magnitude of 10X, that would mean 1,400 in Clearwater.  Probably fairly accurate if you include all the staff and RPFers.</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53039&quot;&gt;Jethro Bodine&lt;/a&gt;.

I just reread her success story.  Maybe the assumption that the OT levels and the L&#039;s are more powerful than objectives needs to be rethought.  It could very well be that there is much more gain in doing the Objectives than there is in auditing Ron&#039;s imaginary incidents on the whole track.  Objectives were always my favorite thing to CS because of the wins.  And there are always more to do.  I&#039;d just alternate between Objectives and lower level subjective processes like ARC SW, especially SA lists for maximum case gain. Grade IV stuff is great too when the pc is up to it. Though of course I wouldn&#039;t rerun processes that the pc has already ep&#039;d.  LRH probably pushed the upper levels because he felt he had no choice, marketing wise to keep his public jazzed and paying. And then convinced himself as he went downscale on all his own dynamics. Or do you think he was actually an &quot;OT&quot; when he finally kacked,  out the bottom in body and mind, completely PTS to Davey, his first son and his own overts against his wife and staff members (well, I guess that&#039;s &quot;false PTSness&#039; to be exact)  But that doesn&#039;t mean a lot of the lower level auditing stuff isn&#039;t fantastic, cause it is in my experience anyway. And most of SOS, 8-8008, COHA and many other books are great too. *ok, maybe I&#039;m being too harsh here.  Ron was an OT in the sense of a big being causing big effects, certainly creating the CoS was no small feat.  Just not an OT in the senses he promised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53039">Jethro Bodine</a>.</p>
<p>I just reread her success story.  Maybe the assumption that the OT levels and the L&#8217;s are more powerful than objectives needs to be rethought.  It could very well be that there is much more gain in doing the Objectives than there is in auditing Ron&#8217;s imaginary incidents on the whole track.  Objectives were always my favorite thing to CS because of the wins.  And there are always more to do.  I&#8217;d just alternate between Objectives and lower level subjective processes like ARC SW, especially SA lists for maximum case gain. Grade IV stuff is great too when the pc is up to it. Though of course I wouldn&#8217;t rerun processes that the pc has already ep&#8217;d.  LRH probably pushed the upper levels because he felt he had no choice, marketing wise to keep his public jazzed and paying. And then convinced himself as he went downscale on all his own dynamics. Or do you think he was actually an &#8220;OT&#8221; when he finally kacked,  out the bottom in body and mind, completely PTS to Davey, his first son and his own overts against his wife and staff members (well, I guess that&#8217;s &#8220;false PTSness&#8217; to be exact)  But that doesn&#8217;t mean a lot of the lower level auditing stuff isn&#8217;t fantastic, cause it is in my experience anyway. And most of SOS, 8-8008, COHA and many other books are great too. *ok, maybe I&#8217;m being too harsh here.  Ron was an OT in the sense of a big being causing big effects, certainly creating the CoS was no small feat.  Just not an OT in the senses he promised.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 07:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53028&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

I know what you mean Joe P.  One thing I&#039;ve learned from all this great communicating by the lovely apostates is, that experiences are extremely varied depending on their unique location, job and perspective.  I know in 1974, at my CL V org, altruism was high and there were a lot of people who fought for their point of view and challenged LRH, especially, at the beginning.  I had extreme authority issues and was an auditor, so I just went in session and pretty much ignored most execs, avoiding issues that others couldn&#039;t.  As an exec, my hubby had scads of wrong condition assignments that he&#039;s had to come to terms with, but I had none.  I get bitter still. about not being paid for ten years.  Like I said, different experiences.  Also some of this was just a bunch of young people, in a group dynamic, with all the regular problems that any group has, unhattedness, annoying bosses, too much work etc.  People can have varied issues regarding their Scn experience and I don&#039;t always think it&#039;s fair, to place every outpoint or lapse of integrity under the Scn umbrella.  Sometimes we just fuck up.  I never gave up my constitutional right to speak freely or read freely, never, and I know many who felt the same way.  I understood the code of honor to be applied from my point of view, and others theirs, so this rcs expectation of lockstep compliance is simply not Scn in my opinion.  I guess I just never agreed, that anything that thwarted the process of as-isness, couldn&#039;t be rejected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53028">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>I know what you mean Joe P.  One thing I&#8217;ve learned from all this great communicating by the lovely apostates is, that experiences are extremely varied depending on their unique location, job and perspective.  I know in 1974, at my CL V org, altruism was high and there were a lot of people who fought for their point of view and challenged LRH, especially, at the beginning.  I had extreme authority issues and was an auditor, so I just went in session and pretty much ignored most execs, avoiding issues that others couldn&#8217;t.  As an exec, my hubby had scads of wrong condition assignments that he&#8217;s had to come to terms with, but I had none.  I get bitter still. about not being paid for ten years.  Like I said, different experiences.  Also some of this was just a bunch of young people, in a group dynamic, with all the regular problems that any group has, unhattedness, annoying bosses, too much work etc.  People can have varied issues regarding their Scn experience and I don&#8217;t always think it&#8217;s fair, to place every outpoint or lapse of integrity under the Scn umbrella.  Sometimes we just fuck up.  I never gave up my constitutional right to speak freely or read freely, never, and I know many who felt the same way.  I understood the code of honor to be applied from my point of view, and others theirs, so this rcs expectation of lockstep compliance is simply not Scn in my opinion.  I guess I just never agreed, that anything that thwarted the process of as-isness, couldn&#8217;t be rejected.</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 05:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53022&quot;&gt;zana&lt;/a&gt;.

Walking on sunshine - Katrina and the waves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53022">zana</a>.</p>
<p>Walking on sunshine &#8211; Katrina and the waves.</p>
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		By: Jethro Bodine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 05:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, Sue Young has done OT 8 and all three L rundowns according to this site:

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/s/sue-young-moore.html

Now she&#039;s back at the BOTTOM of the Bridge touting how good it is to receive objectives processing, which is the most basic auditing in all of Scientology. Hell, even druggies and wogs can get objectives. This is how Miscavige recycles the public for all they&#039;re worth…

What&#039;s next for Sue? Life repair auditing?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Sue Young has done OT 8 and all three L rundowns according to this site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/s/sue-young-moore.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/s/sue-young-moore.html</a></p>
<p>Now she&#8217;s back at the BOTTOM of the Bridge touting how good it is to receive objectives processing, which is the most basic auditing in all of Scientology. Hell, even druggies and wogs can get objectives. This is how Miscavige recycles the public for all they&#8217;re worth…</p>
<p>What&#8217;s next for Sue? Life repair auditing?</p>
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		By: hgc10		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 04:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-52995&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

Very, very important point of fact:  monolith, not obelisk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-52995">remoteviewed</a>.</p>
<p>Very, very important point of fact:  monolith, not obelisk.</p>
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		By: SexyNinjaMonkey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2014 01:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-52983&quot;&gt;minorron&lt;/a&gt;.

I was looking through that link and noticed this specific line taken directly from the scouts
&quot;The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.&quot;
I&#039;m sure they&#039;d be concerned if they new scientology taught that god was only an implanted idea.

But yeah, the main concern would be the fact that they will try and recruit the children. Someone local with a kid (so they can bs about just dropping in to see if it&#039;s something the kid&#039;s interested in) should swing by and check the place out, see if there are flyers or propaganda around because that could be enough to lodge an official complaint.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-52983">minorron</a>.</p>
<p>I was looking through that link and noticed this specific line taken directly from the scouts<br />
&#8220;The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d be concerned if they new scientology taught that god was only an implanted idea.</p>
<p>But yeah, the main concern would be the fact that they will try and recruit the children. Someone local with a kid (so they can bs about just dropping in to see if it&#8217;s something the kid&#8217;s interested in) should swing by and check the place out, see if there are flyers or propaganda around because that could be enough to lodge an official complaint.</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 23:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53025&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

Nicely stated, Hallie.

almost forgot,
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! !  !
show that is exhausting!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-news/#comment-53025">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>Nicely stated, Hallie.</p>
<p>almost forgot,<br />
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! !  !<br />
show that is exhausting!!</p>
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