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		By: jere lull ( 39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295665&quot;&gt;Scnethics&lt;/a&gt;.

scnethics, DM FIRST realized it was dangerous for anyone to START OT VIII!  That&#039;s when he changed things again, at least eliminating the Tubby-as-antichrist issue, IIRC.

By now, he&#039;s eliminated or destroyed anything that SEEMED to work. Yet he maintains the same income targets, which the clamming seals -- or is that clapping seals pursue relentlessly, despite all evidence of its stupidity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295665">Scnethics</a>.</p>
<p>scnethics, DM FIRST realized it was dangerous for anyone to START OT VIII!  That&#8217;s when he changed things again, at least eliminating the Tubby-as-antichrist issue, IIRC.</p>
<p>By now, he&#8217;s eliminated or destroyed anything that SEEMED to work. Yet he maintains the same income targets, which the clamming seals &#8212; or is that clapping seals pursue relentlessly, despite all evidence of its stupidity.</p>
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		By: jere lull ( 39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295653&quot;&gt;Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass&lt;/a&gt;.

Bill:&quot;DM will not be forgotten just as Hitler and 9 11 has not been forgotten.&quot;

In that those he&#039;s punished won&#039;t forget, I agree, but I believe DM&#039;s already passed into obscurity outside of those ranks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295653">Dead Men Tell No Tales Bill Straass</a>.</p>
<p>Bill:&#8221;DM will not be forgotten just as Hitler and 9 11 has not been forgotten.&#8221;</p>
<p>In that those he&#8217;s punished won&#8217;t forget, I agree, but I believe DM&#8217;s already passed into obscurity outside of those ranks.</p>
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		By: jere lull ( 39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295430&quot;&gt;Kat LaRue&lt;/a&gt;.

Kat:&quot;Eventually they will publish one that people can’t ignore.&quot;

Those currently in demonstrate that they can ignore ANYTHING, including what&#039;s kicking them in the face.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295430">Kat LaRue</a>.</p>
<p>Kat:&#8221;Eventually they will publish one that people can’t ignore.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those currently in demonstrate that they can ignore ANYTHING, including what&#8217;s kicking them in the face.</p>
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		By: jere lull ( 39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295528&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Scribe, that deserves a rim-shot.
&quot;When you’re auditing on or have completed Solo Nots, you become what the name implies – a snot.

OSD&quot;
&quot;And slips on a banana peal. And when he gets up, he realizes that Miscavige really is GOD.
More likely that he&#039;s dog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295528">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>Scribe, that deserves a rim-shot.<br />
&#8220;When you’re auditing on or have completed Solo Nots, you become what the name implies – a snot.</p>
<p>OSD&#8221;<br />
&#8220;And slips on a banana peal. And when he gets up, he realizes that Miscavige really is GOD.<br />
More likely that he&#8217;s dog.</p>
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		By: jere lull ( 39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295435&quot;&gt;Cat W.&lt;/a&gt;.

Cat, they don&#039;t &quot;justify&quot; anything.  As long as today&#039;s number is greater than last week&#039;s, it&#039;s all gravy.(over the rice&#038;beans).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295435">Cat W.</a>.</p>
<p>Cat, they don&#8217;t &#8220;justify&#8221; anything.  As long as today&#8217;s number is greater than last week&#8217;s, it&#8217;s all gravy.(over the rice&amp;beans).</p>
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		By: jere lull ( 39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295743</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295461&quot;&gt;FPjr&lt;/a&gt;.

FPjr, you are a master of understatement:
&quot;I think your assumption that their doors will still be open in 25 years is…… optimistic.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295461">FPjr</a>.</p>
<p>FPjr, you are a master of understatement:<br />
&#8220;I think your assumption that their doors will still be open in 25 years is…… optimistic.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jere lull ( 39 years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 22:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Believe what you see&quot;: Like the empty orgs, zero-dollar paychecks, etc; vs. the fake &quot;stats&quot; at the various MANDITORY events you&#039;re subjected to periodically … CONSTANTLY.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe what you see&#8221;: Like the empty orgs, zero-dollar paychecks, etc; vs. the fake &#8220;stats&#8221; at the various MANDITORY events you&#8217;re subjected to periodically … CONSTANTLY.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 21:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295492&quot;&gt;Chris Shugart&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris, that 300 to 400 in SoCal may fit with the 500 &quot;in good standing&quot; that they came up with as potential arbiters in the Garcia case.  That&#039;s also in the ballpark of 35 to 50 for each of the approximately dozen local orgs in the area, which then fits with what we see in photos from org events.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295492">Chris Shugart</a>.</p>
<p>Chris, that 300 to 400 in SoCal may fit with the 500 &#8220;in good standing&#8221; that they came up with as potential arbiters in the Garcia case.  That&#8217;s also in the ballpark of 35 to 50 for each of the approximately dozen local orgs in the area, which then fits with what we see in photos from org events.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 16:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295471&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

What? You mean he really was?]]></description>
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<p>What? You mean he really was?</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 16:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295649&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

I haven&#039;t done a thorough comparison between the names on the lists for VI comp.  just a quick look hasn&#039;t shown anything right off the bat.  

(sorry, it&#039;s a &#039;someday I&#039;ll get to that&#039; type thing for me)

It IS weird that the number isn&#039;t higher.  Maybe they did take off the declared/dead/persona non grata ... with the idea that the list was going to be published sometime?  

....
I KNOW that through Nov 2013 into a big part of 2014 the comps on VI were in a low range.   It wasn&#039;t a thing, they weren&#039;t pushing it as hard because they were talking up about how the rest of the OT levels would get the GAT II treatment, and new levels would be released.  

During that time they were pushing, promoting and bragging about all the Cause Resurg, Super Power and L&#039;s comps  - (with all the NEW L&#039;s auditors, rah rah)

The price of an intensive used to 8 grand and change.  With GAT II all Flag intensives were 5 grand, no sliding scales.  L&#039;s intensives had been 10 grand, and they went down to 7 or 8 grand instead.  (sorry, don&#039;t recall exactly)

...
GAT II for OTs was released in late 2016?  (google gives me your blog entry)  


so that&#039;s when the new big push would have been brewing to get people onto 6 and 7, and that&#039;s why we&#039;re seeing higher than usual numbers now.  

I still view it as the &#039;backlog&#039; stat.  They&#039;ll run out soon.

(I was there for the release of GAT II and had to do the new Advanced Solo Auditor Course along with the rest - Flag was CRAMMED to the gills during this time.  EVERY Solo Auditor was having to do it... the course room was insane, filled over into other areas, etc.  When I came back for my next 6 month check?  

Emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmpppptyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Trouble finding a twin for e-meter drills empty.)

Same old same old.  Push the new thing, get the stats, crow a bunch, then scramble for the next blanket of wool to start tugging on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-stats-prove-massive-fail/#comment-295649">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t done a thorough comparison between the names on the lists for VI comp.  just a quick look hasn&#8217;t shown anything right off the bat.  </p>
<p>(sorry, it&#8217;s a &#8216;someday I&#8217;ll get to that&#8217; type thing for me)</p>
<p>It IS weird that the number isn&#8217;t higher.  Maybe they did take off the declared/dead/persona non grata &#8230; with the idea that the list was going to be published sometime?  </p>
<p>&#8230;.<br />
I KNOW that through Nov 2013 into a big part of 2014 the comps on VI were in a low range.   It wasn&#8217;t a thing, they weren&#8217;t pushing it as hard because they were talking up about how the rest of the OT levels would get the GAT II treatment, and new levels would be released.  </p>
<p>During that time they were pushing, promoting and bragging about all the Cause Resurg, Super Power and L&#8217;s comps  &#8211; (with all the NEW L&#8217;s auditors, rah rah)</p>
<p>The price of an intensive used to 8 grand and change.  With GAT II all Flag intensives were 5 grand, no sliding scales.  L&#8217;s intensives had been 10 grand, and they went down to 7 or 8 grand instead.  (sorry, don&#8217;t recall exactly)</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
GAT II for OTs was released in late 2016?  (google gives me your blog entry)  </p>
<p>so that&#8217;s when the new big push would have been brewing to get people onto 6 and 7, and that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re seeing higher than usual numbers now.  </p>
<p>I still view it as the &#8216;backlog&#8217; stat.  They&#8217;ll run out soon.</p>
<p>(I was there for the release of GAT II and had to do the new Advanced Solo Auditor Course along with the rest &#8211; Flag was CRAMMED to the gills during this time.  EVERY Solo Auditor was having to do it&#8230; the course room was insane, filled over into other areas, etc.  When I came back for my next 6 month check?  </p>
<p>Emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmpppptyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.</p>
<p>Trouble finding a twin for e-meter drills empty.)</p>
<p>Same old same old.  Push the new thing, get the stats, crow a bunch, then scramble for the next blanket of wool to start tugging on.</p>
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