Absolutely right, Aquamarine. And they better move fast if they wanted anything from me, as I do not know how much much longer I will be able to defy their death sentence.

I can tell you why I can’t go back to the Freewinds:
IT IS BECAUSE I AM DEAD.
I was told to come back “As soon as possible next lifetime”. This was after 16 years in the SO on the Freewinds after it was discovered that I had gotten HIV in their home port from blood transfusions ordered and paid for by the church. Now all these years later with no real medical care, all they could do was that the Captain, the only right arm Captain in the S.O. Mike Napier told my wife that I was going to die and that no-one could help me and that she should end cycle. on me.
The only reason I was going to die is that they sent me to a chiropractor (James Keppler) and removed me from an actual medical doctor (Gene Denk) (To be continued).

Yes, Merry Christmas, Ann. The time? I don’t know! hahahahaha!

Hi Chris Thompson, A wise post indeed. Thank you and may I wish you a beautiful 2016. Look forward to reading your posts in the coming year. Where does that time go? Love, Ann.

Love to Ann B. That was then and this is now and then later this will have been then and that will be now. What made sense in one context no longer makes sense outside that context. Be as kind to your-self as you are to the rest of us. ~Chris Thompson

I Yawn, We are on the same wavelength here

“like it was 20 – 30 + years ago” Esprit de corp and camaraderie was the name of the game.

“strange . . even weird to you” Not at all. The intrigue of exploring the unlimited potential of the human mind was what drew me in. Regarding axioms, logics etc. my earlier statement should have read something like ”exploring axioms, logics, creation of universes etc. is not appropriate For Me At This Time.” I am in fact a newbie in scio “recovery”. The level of introspection required to do the OT levels, regardless of fantastical parts, would imo uncover levels of experience quite outside of ordinary living as you demonstrate above.

“equally dedicated team behind them” My overall dismissal of scio as a subject is that I see no way to deliver it without indoctrination and programming, although the hope is still there that someone may in the future. ThetaClear has vast knowledge of scio procedures and imo is on intellectual par with LRH. He might be the one to do it. Of course he would need a team just as elron did.

“what it is like to validate the beingness of another” The true joy of auditing, giving and receiving.

“these forums aren’t very effective places . . ” It’s the best there is at this time and has helped me immensely. The day to day topics go by at warp speed for me and like you I am grateful that Mike allows discussion.

This topic imo is the heart and soul of scio or applied philosophy as it should be, exploring human potential. I hope Mike posts a version of it again in some form so others can enjoy the discussion it generates.

Hi Richard D, I like your post. Made sense to me. At 18 I would have loved to meditate in a cave. At 64 not so much. Love, Ann.

Wow Richard. That’s quite the question and truly, scientology today as it is presented and talked about and now vilified has turned truly criminal. It is nothing like it was 20 – 30 + years ago.
I guess I have studied it quite extensively if I looked at it but I concentrated for years on the basics such as the Axioms, Logics etc. This may seem strange, maybe even weird to you. I am often attacked if I open “my mouth” in many forums but the actual “practice” of the subject is very precise and is very susceptible to error. Training to be an auditor ends up being very precise and takes dedication but it also takes a sane and equally dedicated “team” behind them. That is called an Org. Under miscavige they have been destroyed and many old times lament that quite deeply. The org’s in the early 80 to late 80s adopted a saying. ‘If it’s not fun it’s not Scientology’ and as a young intern auditor and supervisor I have never worked so hard at anything in my life, but the rewards so created were there. There is nothing that can explain to another what it is like validate the beingness of another in such a way. Yet that beingness is nothing more than the person themselves shinning through. A standard auditor is the most friendliest person you can ever find imo.
The state of OT has been ‘marketed’ and so abused that it is unrecognisable. Universes exist, you are one, so am I, then there’s this one we are communicating through. There is no 4th dimension but there is an infinity of universes, we make them all the time but man no idea how to turn them off or in scientology parlance , start, change and stop them at cause.
To be cause over them basically takes nothing more than being yourself. But that my friend is quite the trick. It’s simplicity is what makes it so difficult to grasp but I believe the path is there, it’s just that it got hijacked by a bunch of morons.
I don’t know what else to say, these forums aren’t very effective places to have conversations of this nature but at least with Mike he monitors with a sanity seldom found elsewhere on the net. Mikes an example of a friendly being.

Here is a link for LRH’s HCOB 11 May 1963 , “Routine 3 , Heaven”. Everyone here interested enough , read it , and then state whether or not the Lucifer bulletin does connects with all this pretty well.

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/heaven.htm