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		By: Paul Cocovinis		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-204144</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Cocovinis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203664&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s an interesting point and one I&#039;ve wondered about occasionally too. Evidence suggests to me that he leans a lot more heavily on the cynical &#039;adherence&#039; than perhaps one thinks.
He demonstrably lied to one and all when announcing Hubbard&#039;s death, a fact that, unless he is totally deluded and deranged, he himself is acutely aware of and has been trying to justify ever since. 
So he knows that&#039;s a crock and must know a whole lot more. 
And I&#039;m 95% certain that he was not only aware of the numerous gross personnel policy violations that were enacted by the Mission 1st, Lucky Story, during her disastrous tenure at London org in 2007-8, but that he in fact endorsed them - in his role as Msn Ops (as I believe he was).
Any staff member worth their salt (in scn terms) knows well certain key policies on quicksilvers and musical chairs, and yet these were so comprehensively and, dare I say it, contemptuously violated in the face of Command Intention that it did indeed trigger my first signs of cognitive dissonance.
That alone tells me he pays no attention to LRH when it doesn&#039;t suit him, which would suggest at least some disdain on his part, I would venture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203664">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting point and one I&#8217;ve wondered about occasionally too. Evidence suggests to me that he leans a lot more heavily on the cynical &#8216;adherence&#8217; than perhaps one thinks.<br />
He demonstrably lied to one and all when announcing Hubbard&#8217;s death, a fact that, unless he is totally deluded and deranged, he himself is acutely aware of and has been trying to justify ever since.<br />
So he knows that&#8217;s a crock and must know a whole lot more.<br />
And I&#8217;m 95% certain that he was not only aware of the numerous gross personnel policy violations that were enacted by the Mission 1st, Lucky Story, during her disastrous tenure at London org in 2007-8, but that he in fact endorsed them &#8211; in his role as Msn Ops (as I believe he was).<br />
Any staff member worth their salt (in scn terms) knows well certain key policies on quicksilvers and musical chairs, and yet these were so comprehensively and, dare I say it, contemptuously violated in the face of Command Intention that it did indeed trigger my first signs of cognitive dissonance.<br />
That alone tells me he pays no attention to LRH when it doesn&#8217;t suit him, which would suggest at least some disdain on his part, I would venture.</p>
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		By: Teen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2017 04:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203589&quot;&gt;Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)&lt;/a&gt;.

This is fantastic insight, Lois.  Thank you..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203589">Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)</a>.</p>
<p>This is fantastic insight, Lois.  Thank you..</p>
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		By: Teen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2017 04:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know, since the cult is continuing in these same tactics today as they used on Gage, you&#039;d think officials who can actually do something would be very eager to ACTUALLY do something.  Officials have so much documentation, witnesses, evidence etc.  I often wonder what keeps them from pursuing prosecution, tax exempt revoking...etc.  When did basic morality or the law begin to be ignored so drastically in our society...or the world for that matter.?

I realize this question is unanswerable or that it likely will have many answers in its complexity.   Just reading Tony&#039;s article and today&#039;s blog reminds me that the values and morals of our legal and justice system got so manipulated with loop holes that it&#039;s almost impossible to pursue justice.  And...that these agencies that were designed to pursue justice got so political and fat with backstabbing and secondary motivations that, in the pursuit of persona/political agenda&#039;s, innocent people hurt thru the cult&#039;s actions aren&#039;t even on their radar enough to care.

Sad commentary and the results of system unchecked for decades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, since the cult is continuing in these same tactics today as they used on Gage, you&#8217;d think officials who can actually do something would be very eager to ACTUALLY do something.  Officials have so much documentation, witnesses, evidence etc.  I often wonder what keeps them from pursuing prosecution, tax exempt revoking&#8230;etc.  When did basic morality or the law begin to be ignored so drastically in our society&#8230;or the world for that matter.?</p>
<p>I realize this question is unanswerable or that it likely will have many answers in its complexity.   Just reading Tony&#8217;s article and today&#8217;s blog reminds me that the values and morals of our legal and justice system got so manipulated with loop holes that it&#8217;s almost impossible to pursue justice.  And&#8230;that these agencies that were designed to pursue justice got so political and fat with backstabbing and secondary motivations that, in the pursuit of persona/political agenda&#8217;s, innocent people hurt thru the cult&#8217;s actions aren&#8217;t even on their radar enough to care.</p>
<p>Sad commentary and the results of system unchecked for decades.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203887&quot;&gt;Hiatus62&lt;/a&gt;.

You need to stop reading the Freedom site. 

Believe me, he is NOT under investigation for child prostitution. 

But Danny Masterson IS under investigation for rape. 

Anything to say about that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203887">Hiatus62</a>.</p>
<p>You need to stop reading the Freedom site. </p>
<p>Believe me, he is NOT under investigation for child prostitution. </p>
<p>But Danny Masterson IS under investigation for rape. </p>
<p>Anything to say about that?</p>
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		By: Hiatus62		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have read documents that Mr Ortega is under investigation for being involved in child prostitution.

Hardly someone to praise surely?

Or is this police lies and he is really just, &quot;a very nice guy&quot; and an expert in Scientology and it application etc etc having been one for years?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read documents that Mr Ortega is under investigation for being involved in child prostitution.</p>
<p>Hardly someone to praise surely?</p>
<p>Or is this police lies and he is really just, &#8220;a very nice guy&#8221; and an expert in Scientology and it application etc etc having been one for years?</p>
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		By: Oren E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oren E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203674&quot;&gt;marildi&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Bye bye. I hope you continue to find the scientology talking points relayed by “Marty” “informative.” Perhaps you can ask the “Open Book” why he dismissed the case and screwed the lawyers? And what he does for a living…&quot;

Or better yet, ask him this question:

https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/09/thanks-for-the-slick-videos-marty-rathbun-heres-a-not-very-slick-one-for-you/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203674">marildi</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bye bye. I hope you continue to find the scientology talking points relayed by “Marty” “informative.” Perhaps you can ask the “Open Book” why he dismissed the case and screwed the lawyers? And what he does for a living…&#8221;</p>
<p>Or better yet, ask him this question:</p>
<p><a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/09/thanks-for-the-slick-videos-marty-rathbun-heres-a-not-very-slick-one-for-you/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/09/thanks-for-the-slick-videos-marty-rathbun-heres-a-not-very-slick-one-for-you/</a></p>
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		By: Phillip		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 06:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203655&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks and Thanks, Mike and Cece.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203655">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks and Thanks, Mike and Cece.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 01:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203709&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

I vacillate between brainwashed believer and brainwashed operative. She went over into the operative column firmly now with her &quot;additional info&quot; about Tony Ortega that she dug up by herself after being &quot;informed&quot; by Marty...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203709">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>I vacillate between brainwashed believer and brainwashed operative. She went over into the operative column firmly now with her &#8220;additional info&#8221; about Tony Ortega that she dug up by herself after being &#8220;informed&#8221; by Marty&#8230;</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203674&quot;&gt;marildi&lt;/a&gt;.

I think marildi is someone who thinks scn can somehow, some way be reformed and presented as a useful subject or used as an additive to other subjects outside of the official CoS. I also think marildi must have been the captain of her high school debate team.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203674">marildi</a>.</p>
<p>I think marildi is someone who thinks scn can somehow, some way be reformed and presented as a useful subject or used as an additive to other subjects outside of the official CoS. I also think marildi must have been the captain of her high school debate team.</p>
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		By: Hoiddenstory.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hoiddenstory.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203674&quot;&gt;marildi&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Mike,

Every now and again I realize that OSA definitely has moles and trolls on these sites. How can they not?

It’s what Hubbard instructs them to do. So I’ve concluded that they are here beyond a doubt. 

There is one dynamic in all of these back and forths with apologists that I try to be sensitive to:

Who avoids
Who deflects
Who seems to actively create disharmony while claiming to be fair.
Who attacks people frequently 

It also seems to me that apologists post until there is upset or they are called out to be Scientology trolls (true or not) and then they leave for a while and come back with friendliness and love bombing to gain trust again.

After the trust is gained they start the cycle of disruption again. 

True or not; that is my experience of some apologists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/gabe-cazares-and-hubbard-policy/#comment-203674">marildi</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Mike,</p>
<p>Every now and again I realize that OSA definitely has moles and trolls on these sites. How can they not?</p>
<p>It’s what Hubbard instructs them to do. So I’ve concluded that they are here beyond a doubt. </p>
<p>There is one dynamic in all of these back and forths with apologists that I try to be sensitive to:</p>
<p>Who avoids<br />
Who deflects<br />
Who seems to actively create disharmony while claiming to be fair.<br />
Who attacks people frequently </p>
<p>It also seems to me that apologists post until there is upset or they are called out to be Scientology trolls (true or not) and then they leave for a while and come back with friendliness and love bombing to gain trust again.</p>
<p>After the trust is gained they start the cycle of disruption again. </p>
<p>True or not; that is my experience of some apologists.</p>
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