Yes, it’s appalling. If any mega-millionaires are reading this, please respond with an offer to fund “the baby without the bathwater.” All the bad filtered out, and all the good brought together from all the researchers. It could definitely be done.

Sorry, that is neediness. Not sympathy.

And just like the words grief, open minded, reasonable, karma, reincarnation, Jesus:

L Ron Hubbard bastardized important human traits with his ignorance by redefining these words to fit his madness.

And the pinnacle of judgements against Ron:

Seeking electro shock suicide running BTs.

“Ron Says” people……….. sit with that one for a while.

Put in your TRs and confront this historical fact……………

If you have the courage and confront.

Maybe Mike would be so good as to give us a sort of “two-minute warning” – the way it’s done at some of the other friendly neighborhood meeting places. 🙂 Seriously, though, when he gets tired of reading the comments on a particular exchange, he could let us know that we each have one more comment to post on that topic, and that’s it. That way we could give it one last shot.

I’ll just comment on what you wrote here:

“Emotion simply compels us into MOTION. It gets us off our ass and it steers us in the direction toward an object of desire or away from a feared object. Reason steers or overrides that base impulse.”

I think LRH would agree with you on that. The man who wrote that article seemed to be conflating emotion with what some of the nondualty teachers might call “the will of the universe.” But in a different part of his article, he seemed to be describing emotion the way you just did.

Anyway, thank you too for “another fun tour.” I usually learn something from them.

And vulnerability is a power that was absent from Ron.

I doubt he was able to truly be intimate.

How intimate can a husband be to discard his wife like a piece of garbage after the FBI found her doing her husbands bidding.

What man, here, on this site, could or would do this to a loved one.

No, Ron did not have the power of vulnerability or intimacy.

In that regard, there was something wrong with him emotionally and mentally.

And grief!!!!!!!

What a perversion to equate grief with low toned. That is why it is easy for cult minions to discard family ties.

“Oh, you poor little iddy biddy thetan, you are grief charging. Don’t you know that your feeling of loss for you loved one comes from an engram”

THAT IS A CROOK OF SHIT, AND BORDERLINE EVIL

GRIEF CAN BE HEALING
GRIEF CAN BE THERAPUTIC
GRIEF IS THE INCREDABLE POWER OF BEING VULNERABLE AND OPEN

The emotional tone scale is an admixture of reality and Ron’s DISASSOCIATION FROM REALITY

“So we’d need to test the procedures of that earlier era.”

Or, to be completely fair, put DM’s squirrel tech to the test right along side of the earlier version. That’s part of the beauty of the scientific method: It doesn’t pre-judge the results and everyone is assured an equal opportunity to prove their method.

“Then there’s the issue of Standard Tech itself. Regardless of LRH’s claims, in my opinion the tech was never really 100% perfected and completed. ”

I completely agree and his insistence that it was, and that he alone had a corner on the Truth, makes $cn rigidly inflexible, unable to admit to or correct its mistakes and unwilling to submit its methods to objective evaluation, even after it went into such a steep decline that no one that I’ve talked to sees a plausible way out for it now.

” That’s given me enough certainty on what bad to throw out, and what good to preserve and build on, so as to move forward and get something done, without going through the dev-t (“unnecessary developed traffic”) of formal university research studies that would take years and whose results wouldn’t matter to me anyway.”

As a perspective based on your own personal needs and concerns, that makes total sense. However, $cn ends of dying with you and those like you if there’s not some focused effort to sort things. For me, as someone who thinks the vast majority of what’s of value in $cn is really the uncredited work of others, that prospect does not bother me at all. But for folks like you, Marildi, Foolproof and others here who regard it in a much more generous and favorable light, I would think that the prospect of its demise as coherently organized religion or path to spiritual freedom would be fairly appalling.

I’m going to have to just let this go before it turns into something Mike has to manually shut down. I will say this, however, about the quote you offered which stated emotion is our ‘guiding light’. Well, emotion is NOT our guiding light and it does NOT inform us of whether we’re on the right path.

Emotion informs us of nothing other than what we like and don’t like. It’s our reasoning faculty, our intellect which is our informative “North Star”. Emotion simply compels us into MOTION. It gets us off our ass and it steers us in the direction toward an object of desire or away from a feared object. Reason steers or overrides that base impulse. “Listen to reason!” is the timeless advice. My reasoning, not my emotion, tells me to let go of the lengthy objections I have to your ’emotional vibrations’ theory and just say, “thank you, Marildi, for another fun tour!”

There are other sites on the internet that do reference the use of Vistaril (generic name – hydroxyzine) as a pain medication. Here’s a quote from one of the:

“This drug may be sold under the name of Vistaril. Hydroxyzine can be used for anxiety, pruritus, nausea, pain or sedation.”

LRH’s doctor, Dr. Denk, was the one who stated that he had prescribed Vistaril for pancreatitis pain.

Okay, now I see what you mean about “instrument of measure.”

As regards “a unit of measure” – that would be wavelength, wouldn’t it?

Incidentally, it is not difficult nowadays to find many others besides LRH who consider emotions to have vibrations. I just did a Google search and found a lot on the subject. An article titled “The Vibrational Universe,” which is a paradigm of quantum physics, does a good job of explaining how emotions fit into this new paradigm. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“Now, we extend the vibrational universe concept a little further to include emotions, and thought itself. If you believe in the biological basis for consciousness (what I call the “Man is Meat” theory) this is a no–brainer, for you believe that thought and emotion is essentially electro–chemical in nature. And if you believe that consciousness is spiritually based, it does not require too much of a leap of the imagination to understand that emotions –– energy in motion–– are vibrational, and that thought is vibrational as well….

“One of the most powerful tools for understanding life is the scale of vibrations that compose human emotions. In fact, we can arrange a scale of emotion / vibration, from lowest to highest. All of us understand this scale, for when we are in the lower emotions, we feel bad, and when we are happy and cheerful, we feel good. Emotions are nature’s way of telling us whether we are headed in the right direction! Emotions are our unfailing guide, our North Star, to tell us whether we have abandoned the path of True Self. Any time I mention the word ‘vibration,’ you can probably substitute the word “emotion,” for emotions are vibrations! We may not be able to prove this scientifically, but we don’t have to. All of us can FEEL the vibrational component of emotions.” http://www.kjmaclean.com/VibrationalUniverseLessons.html

Of course, it’s obvious that this man “stole” (ahem) many of his ideas from Hubbard and gives no credit as far as I can tell from my Google searches – and his tone scale is almost identical (you can scroll down the page to see it). But he aligns it all with modern science, which is his own contribution as it makes it all easier to understand.