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		By: gato rojo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gato rojo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29061&quot;&gt;SadStateofAffairs&lt;/a&gt;.

SSA--that&#039;s it in a nutshell. (tee-hee...) Sometimes I think what it could have been in these last 30 years if it hadn&#039;t gone totally squirrel. So many of us got great wins and positive changes in our lives before it all went down the toilet. It&#039;s now the exact opposite of what it once was.]]></description>
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<p>SSA&#8211;that&#8217;s it in a nutshell. (tee-hee&#8230;) Sometimes I think what it could have been in these last 30 years if it hadn&#8217;t gone totally squirrel. So many of us got great wins and positive changes in our lives before it all went down the toilet. It&#8217;s now the exact opposite of what it once was.</p>
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		By: mocking jay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mocking jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2013 04:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Give us money to build a restaurant so you can pay us to eat here... Or pay for my beauty salon so you can pay me to give you a facial.. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds. Please, the cheek of these people!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give us money to build a restaurant so you can pay us to eat here&#8230; Or pay for my beauty salon so you can pay me to give you a facial.. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds. Please, the cheek of these people!</p>
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		By: Pied Piper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pied Piper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 22:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike,
your continual debating with remote viewed does have a positive, we get to hear what really went on behind the scenes. I find it amazing how people assert their rightness even when they have no idea. Merry Christmas!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
your continual debating with remote viewed does have a positive, we get to hear what really went on behind the scenes. I find it amazing how people assert their rightness even when they have no idea. Merry Christmas!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29187&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry for the missing prepositions in my above post.  I got a little animated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29187">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry for the missing prepositions in my above post.  I got a little animated.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29122&quot;&gt;Espiritu&lt;/a&gt;.

:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29122">Espiritu</a>.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29064&quot;&gt;Jose Chung&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;A Scott begging for money is pathetic&quot;.  

John Gourlay himself sent out a begging email recently, this one for straight donos so HAPI could buy its E-meters and GAT II materials to sell to their public.

I didn&#039;t know LRH personally but I&#039;ve read almost all of the greenonwhite , and people, those of you who had experience with LRH -   can IMAGINE his reaction orgs&#039;s begging this way?

I can imagine it.  I can his response HCOPL upon learning of this as if it were right in front of me now  The single line sentences, the key points in capital letters, some in caps and  bold type, and some repeated, for emphasis.

Mr. Hubbard, wherever you are, you were no saint and I will never worship you, and I don&#039;t like and I don&#039;t agree with a number of things  you did and said, but boy-oh-boy do I  respect you for what your tech did and still does for me, and let me also say that I know that you would never have countenanced such blatant out-exchange emanating from your Scientology orgs.. Leaving alone the factors of off-purpose-ness and unworkability, your personal pride would not have permitted it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29064">Jose Chung</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;A Scott begging for money is pathetic&#8221;.  </p>
<p>John Gourlay himself sent out a begging email recently, this one for straight donos so HAPI could buy its E-meters and GAT II materials to sell to their public.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know LRH personally but I&#8217;ve read almost all of the greenonwhite , and people, those of you who had experience with LRH &#8211;   can IMAGINE his reaction orgs&#8217;s begging this way?</p>
<p>I can imagine it.  I can his response HCOPL upon learning of this as if it were right in front of me now  The single line sentences, the key points in capital letters, some in caps and  bold type, and some repeated, for emphasis.</p>
<p>Mr. Hubbard, wherever you are, you were no saint and I will never worship you, and I don&#8217;t like and I don&#8217;t agree with a number of things  you did and said, but boy-oh-boy do I  respect you for what your tech did and still does for me, and let me also say that I know that you would never have countenanced such blatant out-exchange emanating from your Scientology orgs.. Leaving alone the factors of off-purpose-ness and unworkability, your personal pride would not have permitted it.</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remoteviewed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29116&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Foolproof,

Well actually Bill Robertson believed it was an Intergalactic  Marcabian conspiracy of some kind.

You listen to the lecture the &quot;Role of Earth&quot; and you can see where he might have gotten this idea.

Ron himself considered something more mundane and terrestrial in comparison which is shared by a pen pal of mine by the name of Alex Constantine of a Fascist conspiracy of some kind.

The latter seems to be proven out by Garrison&#039;s two books Hidden Story and Playing Dirty both well documented and researched.

While the former is very hard to prove.

Seems aliens don&#039;t leave a paper trail of any kind.

Except that there has been thousands of sightings of UFOs ( NKA  Uncorrelated Target or UCT by the DOD since the early &#039;70&#039;s if anyone has come up empty in their FOIA requests for UFO sighting since the late &#039;60&#039;s) reported by what are called &quot;qualified&quot; observers (Military or Civilian pilots and ATC) and at least hundreds of incidents of Air Force planes being scrambled to chase them down.

But as I wrote earlier. No reports of them stopping by the local Org.

Yet there have been hundreds reports that the FBI under COINTELPRO and CIA under MH/CHAOS infiltrating and disrupting various organizations including the Church of Scientology recording in the Congressional Record under the Church Committee hearings.

There have also been reports since of various agencies continuing such programs under different cryptonyms like for instance X-Keystroke and others.

Does this prove that Miscavige is working on behalf of a hostile agency?

Historically there is always that possibility. But so far no smoking gun. Leaving it purely to speculation or theory.

However I do know for a fact that there are various files that are not &quot;available for download&quot; in the CIA&#039;s FOIA Electronic Reading Room with an enticing one entitled: &quot;SCIENTOLOGY FILES SEIZED IN FBI RAID INCLUDE CIA DATA&quot;

http://www.foia.cia.gov/search-results?search_api_views_fulltext=Scientology&#038;field_collection=

Funny how these files were never made part of the public record when they released them back in the late &#039;70&#039;s with such salacious material as say &quot;Operation Freak Out&quot; but there you go.

But I digress.

It may be true as you say that Miscavige is operating as some kind of lone gunman.

I&#039;d be willing to concede this possibility if Miscavige struck me as someone with a certain degree of intelligence but he doesn&#039;t.

As I wrote in an earlier comment. Someone would have to know the subject well enough to &quot;f_k it up&quot; this badly and those things you say may be the reason such as a failed case, auditor, administrator to me prove otherwise.

But anyway.

Aside from the possibility of a vast Government conspiracy is the fact that in order for Miscavige to achieve what he has he&#039;d need a network of willing accomplices to do his dirty work.

So in either case there is a conspiracy of some kind though the latter is more prosaic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29116">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Foolproof,</p>
<p>Well actually Bill Robertson believed it was an Intergalactic  Marcabian conspiracy of some kind.</p>
<p>You listen to the lecture the &#8220;Role of Earth&#8221; and you can see where he might have gotten this idea.</p>
<p>Ron himself considered something more mundane and terrestrial in comparison which is shared by a pen pal of mine by the name of Alex Constantine of a Fascist conspiracy of some kind.</p>
<p>The latter seems to be proven out by Garrison&#8217;s two books Hidden Story and Playing Dirty both well documented and researched.</p>
<p>While the former is very hard to prove.</p>
<p>Seems aliens don&#8217;t leave a paper trail of any kind.</p>
<p>Except that there has been thousands of sightings of UFOs ( NKA  Uncorrelated Target or UCT by the DOD since the early &#8217;70&#8217;s if anyone has come up empty in their FOIA requests for UFO sighting since the late &#8217;60&#8217;s) reported by what are called &#8220;qualified&#8221; observers (Military or Civilian pilots and ATC) and at least hundreds of incidents of Air Force planes being scrambled to chase them down.</p>
<p>But as I wrote earlier. No reports of them stopping by the local Org.</p>
<p>Yet there have been hundreds reports that the FBI under COINTELPRO and CIA under MH/CHAOS infiltrating and disrupting various organizations including the Church of Scientology recording in the Congressional Record under the Church Committee hearings.</p>
<p>There have also been reports since of various agencies continuing such programs under different cryptonyms like for instance X-Keystroke and others.</p>
<p>Does this prove that Miscavige is working on behalf of a hostile agency?</p>
<p>Historically there is always that possibility. But so far no smoking gun. Leaving it purely to speculation or theory.</p>
<p>However I do know for a fact that there are various files that are not &#8220;available for download&#8221; in the CIA&#8217;s FOIA Electronic Reading Room with an enticing one entitled: &#8220;SCIENTOLOGY FILES SEIZED IN FBI RAID INCLUDE CIA DATA&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foia.cia.gov/search-results?search_api_views_fulltext=Scientology&#038;field_collection=" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.foia.cia.gov/search-results?search_api_views_fulltext=Scientology&#038;field_collection=</a></p>
<p>Funny how these files were never made part of the public record when they released them back in the late &#8217;70&#8217;s with such salacious material as say &#8220;Operation Freak Out&#8221; but there you go.</p>
<p>But I digress.</p>
<p>It may be true as you say that Miscavige is operating as some kind of lone gunman.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to concede this possibility if Miscavige struck me as someone with a certain degree of intelligence but he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As I wrote in an earlier comment. Someone would have to know the subject well enough to &#8220;f_k it up&#8221; this badly and those things you say may be the reason such as a failed case, auditor, administrator to me prove otherwise.</p>
<p>But anyway.</p>
<p>Aside from the possibility of a vast Government conspiracy is the fact that in order for Miscavige to achieve what he has he&#8217;d need a network of willing accomplices to do his dirty work.</p>
<p>So in either case there is a conspiracy of some kind though the latter is more prosaic.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29048&quot;&gt;Wendy M&lt;/a&gt;.

At the last Christmas party I attended at my former org they turned a good portion of it into an Ideal Org Fundraising action.  I was so turned off.  They would never use Channukah or Ramadon that way. And I&#039;m not a religious Christian either, but I had thought we could just have one nite getting together, singing carols and eating the modest buffet (the inevitable cheap pasta dish but that was ok).  But it just could not be, I suppose.  I thought fundraising at a Christmas party was in extremely poor taste and I told the staff so, and it was the last one I attended before fading away and going under the radar several years later]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/give-us-money-so-we-can-deliver-the-purif/#comment-29048">Wendy M</a>.</p>
<p>At the last Christmas party I attended at my former org they turned a good portion of it into an Ideal Org Fundraising action.  I was so turned off.  They would never use Channukah or Ramadon that way. And I&#8217;m not a religious Christian either, but I had thought we could just have one nite getting together, singing carols and eating the modest buffet (the inevitable cheap pasta dish but that was ok).  But it just could not be, I suppose.  I thought fundraising at a Christmas party was in extremely poor taste and I told the staff so, and it was the last one I attended before fading away and going under the radar several years later</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex castillo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS, by the way, it was in HAPI where I found the person who would eventually become my loving, beautiful wife and companion. She was the Flag Rep at that time. Our love is now over 30 years young and getting better!

Alex]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS, by the way, it was in HAPI where I found the person who would eventually become my loving, beautiful wife and companion. She was the Flag Rep at that time. Our love is now over 30 years young and getting better!</p>
<p>Alex</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, this post has sent me on a trip down memory lane!!

As some of you may know, I was a Flag Bureau evaluator from 1975 to 1981. I was in charge of evaluating individual Orgs as well as what we used to call &quot;continents&quot;. At one time I was in charge of all class IV Orgs in the UK. In 1980 the WDC sent me on mission to all the UK Orgs (except Saint Hill)to handle various problems found  through extensive evals, mainly (surprise, surprise) GI and dissafected EDs/COs. 
I did missions in London Fdn (CO Ron (Hoppy) Hopkins), Manchester (CO Ira Chalef), Plymouth (ED was an american girl) and HAPI. Previous to my mission to HAPI, an eval was done calling for replacing the ED and getting a rather failing org back on it&#039;s
feet. Just in case people don&#039;t know, HAPI was never a very successful org in terms of volume of delivery. As far back as 1980, their staff was extremely poorly paid, most of the staff I met were having to do moonlighting in order to pursue their Scientology careers. The Org&#039;s location is ideal for foot traffic and their main problem was they didn&#039;t have enough Auditors and C/Ss to deliver a higher volume. It had a Flag Rep, an LRH Comm and an Assistant Guardian (GO). The staff were fully committed to their posts and I remember the main thing they hated was &quot;missions&quot; from FOLO UK who always came to &quot;handle the GI&quot;. Overall a nice and very committed bunch of people intent on clearing Scotland. The Hubbard Academy of Personal Independence (HAPI) was given that name based on PR Series Surveys designed to find the most acceptable name for the country. For the Scots, Indepence has always been a very big button and that is why, through survey tech, LRH decided to call it Hubbard Academy of Personal Independence. Same with Mexico. All existing orgs in Mexico are not registered as a church, which would not be ethnically accepted by the population and the government. They are called Asociacion civil (Civil Associations). During the years LRH was running the show, it was most important to be ACCEPTED to begin with and that led to the wide use of the PR Series surveys. Scotland would have been up in arms if HAPI had been called a church and Mexico would have been the same. If you look at what orgs used to be called around the world, you will notice that the given names were based on that country&#039;s cultural values and not blanket &quot;church od scientology&quot;. Acceptance was key so that we could attract public to try our services. Even the prices for services had been surveyed to find what the working people of that country could afford. And we did it! Between 1975 and 1985 we boomed Scientology and Dianetics across the world. It just goes to show you the degree of ignorance, greed and insanity that drives David Miscavige. The PR Series is dead, long live David Miscavige. Evaluation Tech is dead, long live DM. Making Auditors, C/Ss and course Supervisors is dead, long live Miscavige. LRH&#039;s Tech and Admin are dead, long live COB. In my personal view, COB/David Miscage/DM is fully responsible for turning an effective help method into a despicable, criminal activity now called the Church of Scientology. Look back to the times when LRH was around and compare those times with PT. Sad but true.

Alex]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, this post has sent me on a trip down memory lane!!</p>
<p>As some of you may know, I was a Flag Bureau evaluator from 1975 to 1981. I was in charge of evaluating individual Orgs as well as what we used to call &#8220;continents&#8221;. At one time I was in charge of all class IV Orgs in the UK. In 1980 the WDC sent me on mission to all the UK Orgs (except Saint Hill)to handle various problems found  through extensive evals, mainly (surprise, surprise) GI and dissafected EDs/COs.<br />
I did missions in London Fdn (CO Ron (Hoppy) Hopkins), Manchester (CO Ira Chalef), Plymouth (ED was an american girl) and HAPI. Previous to my mission to HAPI, an eval was done calling for replacing the ED and getting a rather failing org back on it&#8217;s<br />
feet. Just in case people don&#8217;t know, HAPI was never a very successful org in terms of volume of delivery. As far back as 1980, their staff was extremely poorly paid, most of the staff I met were having to do moonlighting in order to pursue their Scientology careers. The Org&#8217;s location is ideal for foot traffic and their main problem was they didn&#8217;t have enough Auditors and C/Ss to deliver a higher volume. It had a Flag Rep, an LRH Comm and an Assistant Guardian (GO). The staff were fully committed to their posts and I remember the main thing they hated was &#8220;missions&#8221; from FOLO UK who always came to &#8220;handle the GI&#8221;. Overall a nice and very committed bunch of people intent on clearing Scotland. The Hubbard Academy of Personal Independence (HAPI) was given that name based on PR Series Surveys designed to find the most acceptable name for the country. For the Scots, Indepence has always been a very big button and that is why, through survey tech, LRH decided to call it Hubbard Academy of Personal Independence. Same with Mexico. All existing orgs in Mexico are not registered as a church, which would not be ethnically accepted by the population and the government. They are called Asociacion civil (Civil Associations). During the years LRH was running the show, it was most important to be ACCEPTED to begin with and that led to the wide use of the PR Series surveys. Scotland would have been up in arms if HAPI had been called a church and Mexico would have been the same. If you look at what orgs used to be called around the world, you will notice that the given names were based on that country&#8217;s cultural values and not blanket &#8220;church od scientology&#8221;. Acceptance was key so that we could attract public to try our services. Even the prices for services had been surveyed to find what the working people of that country could afford. And we did it! Between 1975 and 1985 we boomed Scientology and Dianetics across the world. It just goes to show you the degree of ignorance, greed and insanity that drives David Miscavige. The PR Series is dead, long live David Miscavige. Evaluation Tech is dead, long live DM. Making Auditors, C/Ss and course Supervisors is dead, long live Miscavige. LRH&#8217;s Tech and Admin are dead, long live COB. In my personal view, COB/David Miscage/DM is fully responsible for turning an effective help method into a despicable, criminal activity now called the Church of Scientology. Look back to the times when LRH was around and compare those times with PT. Sad but true.</p>
<p>Alex</p>
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