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Peter

Hahaha that was great Aqua, I actually thought I was listening to a critique of Scientology written by Sherman.

Yep Aqua, the truth is that he was criminally insane. Hence, he created a criminally insane org and left it to be run by the criminally insane. Unfortunately B.T. Barnum was right and lots of good people were made to believe that he was more good than evil. He wasn’t.

Chris and to all the people who speak about scientology. The “S” minuscule to differentiate from Scientology as referring to the church. There is a whole lot of scriptures to scientology that cannot be neglected, maligned or in any way vilified. Talking about scientology, not Scientology (brand name).

And the point for Man is: will he block and seek to bury or help bury all this knowledge or will he/she allow to children and the children of others to have that knowledge so they can look into it.

That’s my concern and I see a trend lately to throw that knowledge out indiscriminately.

I am willing to be part of this.

Τhanks Brian, I think I keep my eyes open. That’s why I am out of the official church 15 years now.

“The real wins in scientology occur when you walk out the door and get your life back.” Old Surfer Dude. This resonates. I’ve not felt freer since my walk out the door. Yet I didn’t feel free before I went in. I didn’t feel free either while I was in, to the contrary. But, it seems, I had to walk in, stay a while (two decades!), come out – to feel free. Crazy but true.

Anyway, it was worth it. I have an almost overwhelming sense of liberation, freedom and enjoyment of life since I walked out. Life has gone well for me, too. It didn’t go well AT ALL while I was in. Its’ really crazy stuff.

I’ve just started reading Jon Atack’s Piece of Blue Sky. I’ve read other authors as well including Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear.

My first book was Messiah or Madman and it threw me in the deep end. I recommend it as a first book because of its rawness! My eyes popped out of my head and my mouth hung open while I absorbed the fact that our beloved leader was a pill popping charlatan, pathological liar and phoney lunatic with a penchant for cruelty! This was who the godlike Hubbard really was.

I almost feel sorry for them, having to body route and not having a clue about the actual PR scene of the cult. They’re operating on false data (Scientology is expanding) and missing data (the public hates and fears it) and so if/when they get blamed for not getting enough people into the org they have no choice but to agree that they’re deficient, counter-intentioned, etc.

For years when still in I sold books and wondered why people would walk by and slit their eyes at us or else just purposely look away until we were out of their view – I knew they were doing it on purpose. “Why do they hate us so?”, I would wonder. “We just want to help!” Now I know.

This is very true, John Locke. Most staff and public including myself had no personal experience of LRH as did those near the top close to him. We never read his advices, or other confidential orders, for example, to the GO. It is hard to swallow the concept that the man who wrote what indicated and proved to me to be caring, helpful ways of operating in life, also advised – indeed, created and ordered carried out – cruel, heartless, policies that smashed and destroyed people. Its difficult to think with I have to keep in mind that my viewpoint is based on my reality, and differing viewpoints to mine are based on different realities. Duh! My reality of LRH is/was based on what I’ve read that he wrote, what I heard him say in lectures and the undeniable fact that a lot of what I learned in scientology, which he wrote, helped me. Ergo, without knowing him, I formed from my reality the opinion that he was good, exceptionally good, and as such, incapable of evil. I’m learning to accept now that reasoning as flawed. People apparently can be capable of great good and great evil. We all have these capacities f I didn’t work with LRH, didn’t know him, and as a public was shielded and clueless from the toxic policies and what many who knew him and worked with him say was the toxic side of his personality and character. Whew. Its tough. Thank you for your understanding of that, and for sharing it here.

Beryl, with all respect, not necessarily. Without the elimination of the harmful policies of the Church of Scientology such as Disconnection and Fair Game,without the elimination of the IAS, without ceasing to reg for Ideal Morgues, Miscavige could leave or be gotten rid of and someone else could take over just as bad or worse than he was. Its these toxic, out exchange, outright rip-off policies that are the problem Whether they stem from LRH or Miscavige doesn’t matter. That can be sorted out later. The first order of business is: they’ve gotta go. And if eliminating these toxic, harmful, non-survival policies and operating on only the “let’s use ARC and give real help” policies makes it NOT Scientology anymore, then so be it, good riddance, I say. “Scientology” is only a word. Weed out the bad, unworkable stuff and keep the good, and call it something else. Call it “Peanut Butter & Jelly”. Who cares what you call it, or what it is, if its good, if it helps people, and no longer harms and destroys them. IMO.

Yes, the smallest doubt cannot be allowed to take root. I never understood that, and I never will. Why must everything be swallowed whole or else completely rejected? It always made sense to me to cherry pick what has been tested to work and leave aside what has been tested that does not. . I would think it would make sense to any thinking person to operate this way, but no, uh uh, you have to believe it ALL. If you believe in the Bible you have to believe ALL of it, or you don’t have sufficient “faith”. If portions of Scientology philosophy work for you very well and others not at all, why, that’s impossible, you have an MU or you’re operating on false data. OMG, if I operated solely and strictly on statistics and conditions formulas I’d be on welfare having lost my business years ago. Well, OK, end of rant, but this article was quite thought-provoking.