Hi Mike,

I’m back from out of town. I looked for that quote I remembered in SOS and could not find it in the index. You may be right that it is not there, but I was pretty sure that I saw it somewhere.
I will keep looking for what I remembered and will send it to you and/or post it if I find it.

I did find a similar quote in my 1968 edition of DMSMH, the one with the introduction by Dr. Winter. While writing on the subject of sexual “perversion” (in which he did include homosexuality) he said:
“He (the “pervert”)is very far from culpable for his condition, but he is also so far from normal and so extremely dangerous to society that the tolerance for perversion is as thoroughly bad for society as punishment for it.” from the chapter entitled Psycho-Somatic Illness)
True, he does express his view that homosexuality is an severe behavioral aberration. Many people agree that this view is true and many disagree.
He does state here, however, that punishing homosexuality is a bad thing.

I didn’t observe that his personal behavior or the attitude of orgs in the early days were uniformly “homophobic”. As has been mentioned by myself and others, John McMasters, William Burroughs, and Mario Feninger were openly gay men. John was the spokesperson for Scientology in his day and touted as “the worlds first clear”. I’ve heard John speak and can’t imagine that Ron did not notice that he was gay. Same goes for Mario Feninger with whom he spent a good deal of time at one point. Mario never hid the fact that he was gay and was very open about it. Mario is also a Class VIII and I knew another Class VII (Richard Coleman) who as openly gay. I’ve also known several staff members in the 1970’s who were gay. And then there is the HCOPL entitled “Second Dynamic Rules” as mentioned by Dan351 which basically states that as far as Scientology is concerned, there are no rules as to what people do between the sheets as long as there is mutual consent.
LRH’s opinion about homosexuality was what it was, but at the same time he had some gay friends and did not shun people because they were gay. Maybe Ron changed as he got older, but back in the day I don’t think that his personal behavior was homophobic.
However, Miscavige and his little cult ARE homophobic. That guy is just basically a mean little person.

McMasters and Burroughs will always be relevant to add to the discussion of Scientology’s gay tolerance or not in Scientology history.

Mike: the slack is cut! No “problemo”.

I am out of town right now and will not be able to get to my references until I return. I will find it and post it when I return. Thinking about it, I believe that the quote said, “Any society which either condones or ‘condemns’ homosexuality is on it’s way out.” Not “condones or ‘suppresses’ ” as I stated.
Anyhow, I will find and post the reference I remember when I return and post it here.

As for Mario’s award from LRH I believe it is true, because I have no reason to doubt Mario’s word. As of about a year ago he was receiving NOTS at no charge at AOLA based on a letter from LRH in which Ron made the award to him. My guess is that the COS would not dare to refuse to honor it due to his stature in the world of classical music and the enormous good will he has.

FP == no tarring intended. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. I know that the minute you open the floodgates about LRH 2D history there is so much to come tumbling out that it can be like an avalanche and I didnt want the blog to get sidetracked. No problem with your comments generally. Cut me a little slack as I read a LOT of stuff, often on my phone, and I don’t always fully duplicate everything.

MW
Thank you for this link.
OMG, this story about Keith Relkin just REEKS of ‘wrong items’, ‘wrong indications’ this poor fellow has been sec checked over and all of that on top of his ‘gay problem’ that obviously
did not resolve. I’d say that’s another corpse caused by the misapplication of the tech by the Co$!
This is very, very sad.
Greta

Answer to Mike,
There really could be some plus points to having gays at INT. Think about it, no pregnancies,
no abortions….
Greta

Okey dokey. People were declared for “doing it” but usually the High Crime they were charged with was something else, probably something like “bringing Scientology into disrepute” or similar. As I say I do not recall a specific High Crime of Homosexuality – there simply isn’t one that states that specifically.