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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-492957&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve had the pleasure of reading your posts here for the last 8 years, Aquamarine.  I&#039;d call that &quot;justifiable rant!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-492957">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of reading your posts here for the last 8 years, Aquamarine.  I&#8217;d call that &#8220;justifiable rant!&#8221;</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-492984</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 01:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491858&quot;&gt;Mark Kamran&lt;/a&gt;.

With regards the KJV, certainly.

https://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v14n1/Vol.%2014,%20No.%201,%201%20Syn.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491858">Mark Kamran</a>.</p>
<p>With regards the KJV, certainly.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v14n1/Vol.%2014,%20No.%201,%201%20Syn.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v14n1/Vol.%2014,%20No.%201,%201%20Syn.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-492957</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-492948&quot;&gt;Fred Haseney&lt;/a&gt;.

Right!  Nail on the head, Fred.

 Correct response to  a Press Release!  Well, OK,  I CAN see that viewpoint insofar as a press release.  Not always correct but sometimes it could be, depending upon the press involved.

 But how about an issue raised NOT in the press, but person to person, WITHIN an org, Scientologist to Scientologist, public to staff?  That&#039;s not &quot;the Press&quot;!

 And I was VERY far from &quot;attacking&quot;. 

 I was INQUIRING.  I was QUERYING.  Respectfully, and with ARC!

  Querying!  Policy - LRH policy, permitted me - actually encouraged me to do that!  

But yet I got treated as if I were attacking, and had overts and witholds.  That I wouldn&#039;t even be ASKING AT ALL if I didn&#039;t have overts and witholds and/or very likely evil purposes against the group!
 
Wrong indicator!   And at that time, my questions were sincere.  I did NOT understand!  I was NOT attacking my group, I was endeavoring to understand. 

 But no; just the fact that I was querying was of itself sufficient proof to them that I had taken on the color of an enemy! 

 THAT was my beef with the cult.   And it was a big one, let me tell you!  Thank you, Fred for allowing me to rant a little :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-492948">Fred Haseney</a>.</p>
<p>Right!  Nail on the head, Fred.</p>
<p> Correct response to  a Press Release!  Well, OK,  I CAN see that viewpoint insofar as a press release.  Not always correct but sometimes it could be, depending upon the press involved.</p>
<p> But how about an issue raised NOT in the press, but person to person, WITHIN an org, Scientologist to Scientologist, public to staff?  That&#8217;s not &#8220;the Press&#8221;!</p>
<p> And I was VERY far from &#8220;attacking&#8221;. </p>
<p> I was INQUIRING.  I was QUERYING.  Respectfully, and with ARC!</p>
<p>  Querying!  Policy &#8211; LRH policy, permitted me &#8211; actually encouraged me to do that!  </p>
<p>But yet I got treated as if I were attacking, and had overts and witholds.  That I wouldn&#8217;t even be ASKING AT ALL if I didn&#8217;t have overts and witholds and/or very likely evil purposes against the group!</p>
<p>Wrong indicator!   And at that time, my questions were sincere.  I did NOT understand!  I was NOT attacking my group, I was endeavoring to understand. </p>
<p> But no; just the fact that I was querying was of itself sufficient proof to them that I had taken on the color of an enemy! </p>
<p> THAT was my beef with the cult.   And it was a big one, let me tell you!  Thank you, Fred for allowing me to rant a little 🙂</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-492949</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491966&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re a wise person, Aquamarine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491966">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a wise person, Aquamarine.</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491962&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I hear you, Aquamarine.

From &quot;Press Releases,&quot; a Hubbard policy letter from Oct. 28, 1968:

&quot;Always attack in a Press Release. Never defend or deny.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491962">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I hear you, Aquamarine.</p>
<p>From &#8220;Press Releases,&#8221; a Hubbard policy letter from Oct. 28, 1968:</p>
<p>&#8220;Always attack in a Press Release. Never defend or deny.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491966</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 23:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491962&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Also @ Fred:

&quot;Now, if Scientology would, instead, have a two-way comm or pow-wow with their accuser, each party would reap the benefits.&quot;

And there in a nutshell is the fundamental reason why I left the cult.  Oh, there were reasons ON TOP of this one - specific off policy actions I observed going on which did not necessarily involve me - but underlying several serious beefs I had with the cult in the end  was always their refusal to two way comm with me about it.   I was willing; they were not.  Not ever.  As in never.  Given my former pre-Scientology life experiences, these refusals were glaring red flags to me, and started me on my way out, which took 2 years of being UTR, but that&#039;s another story :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491962">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Also @ Fred:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, if Scientology would, instead, have a two-way comm or pow-wow with their accuser, each party would reap the benefits.&#8221;</p>
<p>And there in a nutshell is the fundamental reason why I left the cult.  Oh, there were reasons ON TOP of this one &#8211; specific off policy actions I observed going on which did not necessarily involve me &#8211; but underlying several serious beefs I had with the cult in the end  was always their refusal to two way comm with me about it.   I was willing; they were not.  Not ever.  As in never.  Given my former pre-Scientology life experiences, these refusals were glaring red flags to me, and started me on my way out, which took 2 years of being UTR, but that&#8217;s another story 🙂</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 22:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491936&quot;&gt;Fred Haseney&lt;/a&gt;.

Nails on heads all over the place, Fred :)

They NEVER explain or defend.   

Their  only response to criticism or allegations of wrong doing is to ATTACK.

Its policy.  Seriously, I&#039;m not being sarcastic.

Its LRH policy to respond to accusations of wrong doing with attacks on the accusers. 

 And this applies to any and all accusations. Whether they&#039;re true or not. Most likely especially if they&#039;re true :)

Pure LRH...&quot;Never defend, always attack&quot;...is, as I recall,  how it goes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491936">Fred Haseney</a>.</p>
<p>Nails on heads all over the place, Fred 🙂</p>
<p>They NEVER explain or defend.   </p>
<p>Their  only response to criticism or allegations of wrong doing is to ATTACK.</p>
<p>Its policy.  Seriously, I&#8217;m not being sarcastic.</p>
<p>Its LRH policy to respond to accusations of wrong doing with attacks on the accusers. </p>
<p> And this applies to any and all accusations. Whether they&#8217;re true or not. Most likely especially if they&#8217;re true 🙂</p>
<p>Pure LRH&#8230;&#8221;Never defend, always attack&#8221;&#8230;is, as I recall,  how it goes.</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491866&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

That is interesting, Aquamarine. So, in a way when scientology (which rarely, if ever, tells the truth about anything) calls an accusation &quot;scurrilous,&quot; they are causing their own bad reputation. They are bringing it upon themselves.

Now, if Scientology would, instead, have a two-way comm or pow-wow with their accuser, each party would reap the benefits. For that to happen, however, Scientology would have to aside their preconceived ideas and education in everything Hubbard, and that ain&#039;t gonna happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491866">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>That is interesting, Aquamarine. So, in a way when scientology (which rarely, if ever, tells the truth about anything) calls an accusation &#8220;scurrilous,&#8221; they are causing their own bad reputation. They are bringing it upon themselves.</p>
<p>Now, if Scientology would, instead, have a two-way comm or pow-wow with their accuser, each party would reap the benefits. For that to happen, however, Scientology would have to aside their preconceived ideas and education in everything Hubbard, and that ain&#8217;t gonna happen.</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491932</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491837&quot;&gt;Karl Woodrow&lt;/a&gt;.

You have made some undisputable points, Karl Woodrow. Especially the ones about the narcissistic sociopath.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491837">Karl Woodrow</a>.</p>
<p>You have made some undisputable points, Karl Woodrow. Especially the ones about the narcissistic sociopath.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 03:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491809&quot;&gt;Fred G. Haseney&lt;/a&gt;.

Fred, I&#039;ve observed that when some people want to deny, or believe they MUST deny an allegation which happens to be unfortunately and inconveniently true, they call the allegation &quot;scurrilous&quot; or &quot;vicious&quot;.   They can&#039;t call it false.   They can&#039;t state that what is alleged is untrue because it IS true, so their go-to push back on the allegation is that it is &quot;scurrilous&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/house-of-horrors/#comment-491809">Fred G. Haseney</a>.</p>
<p>Fred, I&#8217;ve observed that when some people want to deny, or believe they MUST deny an allegation which happens to be unfortunately and inconveniently true, they call the allegation &#8220;scurrilous&#8221; or &#8220;vicious&#8221;.   They can&#8217;t call it false.   They can&#8217;t state that what is alleged is untrue because it IS true, so their go-to push back on the allegation is that it is &#8220;scurrilous&#8221;.</p>
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