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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525664</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2023 04:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes indeed, what&#039;s the alternative?  Think of some of the street people we see, talking to themselves and maybe the voices in their head, or even ranting and yelling at others or something invisible.  How are people like that, plus those who may be similarly detached from reality but just less outward in the manifestations of their mental problems, to be handled in settings like courts - or hospitals, where they also often end up including for issues other than mental ones?

As a volunteer, I&#039;ve dealt with mentally ill homeless people whose behavior was creating an imminent severe risk to their health and life.  We actually need more intervention for the most severely afflicted, but the movement decades ago against institutionalization - which Scientology had some small part in - ended some abuses that needed addressing, but went too far and left the worst off out on their own when they need more structure.

I can understand that there are people sort of in the middle, who might want flexible treatment options other than psychiatry.  But that&#039;s a nuanced, different discussion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, what&#8217;s the alternative?  Think of some of the street people we see, talking to themselves and maybe the voices in their head, or even ranting and yelling at others or something invisible.  How are people like that, plus those who may be similarly detached from reality but just less outward in the manifestations of their mental problems, to be handled in settings like courts &#8211; or hospitals, where they also often end up including for issues other than mental ones?</p>
<p>As a volunteer, I&#8217;ve dealt with mentally ill homeless people whose behavior was creating an imminent severe risk to their health and life.  We actually need more intervention for the most severely afflicted, but the movement decades ago against institutionalization &#8211; which Scientology had some small part in &#8211; ended some abuses that needed addressing, but went too far and left the worst off out on their own when they need more structure.</p>
<p>I can understand that there are people sort of in the middle, who might want flexible treatment options other than psychiatry.  But that&#8217;s a nuanced, different discussion.</p>
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		By: jim rowles		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525636</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 20:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525558&quot;&gt;Ammo Alamo&lt;/a&gt;.

The Quakers tried solitary confinement in the early 1800&#039;s and found it drove prisoners batty.  With Hubbard&#039;s all-knowing all-seeing big beingness one wonders if he even looked around the physical universe from time to time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525558">Ammo Alamo</a>.</p>
<p>The Quakers tried solitary confinement in the early 1800&#8217;s and found it drove prisoners batty.  With Hubbard&#8217;s all-knowing all-seeing big beingness one wonders if he even looked around the physical universe from time to time.</p>
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		By: Yawn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525586&quot;&gt;otherles&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, it is...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525586">otherles</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, it is&#8230;</p>
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		By: Glenn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 14:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525567&quot;&gt;Karl Woodrow&lt;/a&gt;.

Karl,

You make an EXCELLENT point!  It makes total sense to me.  The cult&#039;s insistence that we all sign all those releases and waivers truly does demonstrate the unreliability of their services.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525567">Karl Woodrow</a>.</p>
<p>Karl,</p>
<p>You make an EXCELLENT point!  It makes total sense to me.  The cult&#8217;s insistence that we all sign all those releases and waivers truly does demonstrate the unreliability of their services.</p>
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		By: otherles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 12:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525538&quot;&gt;Pete&lt;/a&gt;.

It was a difficult read because it was heartbreaking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525538">Pete</a>.</p>
<p>It was a difficult read because it was heartbreaking.</p>
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		By: Karl Woodrow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 04:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525521&quot;&gt;Glenn&lt;/a&gt;.

Hahaha ha!  I did the same thing, Glenn. I even used key word clearing  on them for parts of the document I didn&#039;t want to sign so that they would understand my reluctance. Then they would look the other way while I crossed out and initialed sections so that they could get a &quot;start&quot;.   I always felt that them insisting on those paranoid &quot;releases&quot; &quot;waivers&quot; only  
demonstrated a lack of confidence in their own product delivery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525521">Glenn</a>.</p>
<p>Hahaha ha!  I did the same thing, Glenn. I even used key word clearing  on them for parts of the document I didn&#8217;t want to sign so that they would understand my reluctance. Then they would look the other way while I crossed out and initialed sections so that they could get a &#8220;start&#8221;.   I always felt that them insisting on those paranoid &#8220;releases&#8221; &#8220;waivers&#8221; only<br />
demonstrated a lack of confidence in their own product delivery.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525563</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 01:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525521&quot;&gt;Glenn&lt;/a&gt;.

Incredible!   Me, I was pre-smoked to believe the &quot;tech&quot; (the Hubbard quackery) was going to make everyone who stuck to the bitter end, would be spiritually amped up to OT status.

The supernatural carrot overpowered all the downsides.  

Good for you, and the Reg knew getting your money was what management also wanted most, and would let the legal p&#039;s and q&#039;s sputter unfulfilled.   (Upstats have their ethics reports filed with a yawn, no action taken on them.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525521">Glenn</a>.</p>
<p>Incredible!   Me, I was pre-smoked to believe the &#8220;tech&#8221; (the Hubbard quackery) was going to make everyone who stuck to the bitter end, would be spiritually amped up to OT status.</p>
<p>The supernatural carrot overpowered all the downsides.  </p>
<p>Good for you, and the Reg knew getting your money was what management also wanted most, and would let the legal p&#8217;s and q&#8217;s sputter unfulfilled.   (Upstats have their ethics reports filed with a yawn, no action taken on them.)</p>
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		By: Denny Owen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 01:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525554&quot;&gt;Ammo Alamo&lt;/a&gt;.

Generally, it&#039;s public wifi that&#039;s the culprit. I get the same thing at my library and the local Barnes &#038; Noble. What I end up doing is turning my iPhone into a hotspot ... problem solved for now. Checking in with hosting platform for a solution. Thanks for checking in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525554">Ammo Alamo</a>.</p>
<p>Generally, it&#8217;s public wifi that&#8217;s the culprit. I get the same thing at my library and the local Barnes &amp; Noble. What I end up doing is turning my iPhone into a hotspot &#8230; problem solved for now. Checking in with hosting platform for a solution. Thanks for checking in.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525560</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 01:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525549&quot;&gt;GL&lt;/a&gt;.

Great letter from James Beebe!   He deserves an award.

Scientologists hateful of psychiatry never reveal Scientologists&#039; secret exorcism beliefs.

https://www.semissourian.com/story/96469.html

The broad public needs to know Scientology means exorcism, OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are exorcism of alien spirits which Scientologists get taught infest our human bodies and can only be removed doing Scientology secret OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism steps.  

And Xenu dumped these messed up spirits onto earth which infest all humans today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-to-refuse-psychiatry/#comment-525549">GL</a>.</p>
<p>Great letter from James Beebe!   He deserves an award.</p>
<p>Scientologists hateful of psychiatry never reveal Scientologists&#8217; secret exorcism beliefs.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.semissourian.com/story/96469.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.semissourian.com/story/96469.html</a></p>
<p>The broad public needs to know Scientology means exorcism, OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are exorcism of alien spirits which Scientologists get taught infest our human bodies and can only be removed doing Scientology secret OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism steps.  </p>
<p>And Xenu dumped these messed up spirits onto earth which infest all humans today.</p>
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		By: Ammo Alamo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 00:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike was there on the Apollo madship guarding the door behind which Hubbard had imprisoned some poor soul in a small cabin with one porthole as his only contact with the world.  He was having some sort of mental state during which he exhibited extreme anger.

Could he have been angry at being locked up in a cabin on an ocean-going ship, with no access to the larger world outside?  

I doubt if the drugs and treatments available to psyches of that era would have done a lot better than Hubbard&#039;s &quot;lock &#039;em up in solitary confinement&quot; treatment.  The results of using it on Lisa McPherson point to a truly horrible and deadly medieval torture done due by ignorant, unthinking, unfeeling blind followers of the scribblings of Hubbard.

The big difference between the rantings of a malignant narcissist like Hubbard, and those who practice under the rules of science, is that science tries to diligently and accurately observe events, test hypothesis as to the causes and effects, and validate the results rigorously many times in many ways before saying &quot;here is something new in the world.&quot;  On any day a new test of the hypotheses may validate or question earlier results, and thus the known world expands by critical questioning.

&quot;No critical questioning of Hubbard&#039;s edicts is allowed.&quot;  That is Scientology in a nutshell.

Since that event on the Apollo true scientists have examined the effects of solitary confinement, of forced isolation, of severe shunning, and found the effects to be very demeaning to the human spirit, and to be harmful to the isolated person both in the short and long term.

Poor Mike. With his family&#039;s blessing he travels halfway around the world to train to be an &quot;executive&#039;. but ends up sitting on a hard chair in a narrow corridor, on watch to make sure the monster behind the locked door would not escape.  

Every account from those days shows the Apollo under Hubbard was a madship run by a madman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike was there on the Apollo madship guarding the door behind which Hubbard had imprisoned some poor soul in a small cabin with one porthole as his only contact with the world.  He was having some sort of mental state during which he exhibited extreme anger.</p>
<p>Could he have been angry at being locked up in a cabin on an ocean-going ship, with no access to the larger world outside?  </p>
<p>I doubt if the drugs and treatments available to psyches of that era would have done a lot better than Hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;lock &#8217;em up in solitary confinement&#8221; treatment.  The results of using it on Lisa McPherson point to a truly horrible and deadly medieval torture done due by ignorant, unthinking, unfeeling blind followers of the scribblings of Hubbard.</p>
<p>The big difference between the rantings of a malignant narcissist like Hubbard, and those who practice under the rules of science, is that science tries to diligently and accurately observe events, test hypothesis as to the causes and effects, and validate the results rigorously many times in many ways before saying &#8220;here is something new in the world.&#8221;  On any day a new test of the hypotheses may validate or question earlier results, and thus the known world expands by critical questioning.</p>
<p>&#8220;No critical questioning of Hubbard&#8217;s edicts is allowed.&#8221;  That is Scientology in a nutshell.</p>
<p>Since that event on the Apollo true scientists have examined the effects of solitary confinement, of forced isolation, of severe shunning, and found the effects to be very demeaning to the human spirit, and to be harmful to the isolated person both in the short and long term.</p>
<p>Poor Mike. With his family&#8217;s blessing he travels halfway around the world to train to be an &#8220;executive&#8217;. but ends up sitting on a hard chair in a narrow corridor, on watch to make sure the monster behind the locked door would not escape.  </p>
<p>Every account from those days shows the Apollo under Hubbard was a madship run by a madman.</p>
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