Thanks for the validation, Wynski!

PROVE “the good”. The bad has been COMPLETELY proven in the physical universe. Bring your physical evidence of all the good. And show that it is better than NO Scientology applied. WITH SCIENTIFIC PROOF.

Or, go off and troll like you do so well.

Cece my friend…..it has been said numerous times that hindsight is 20/20….we must all come to the truth in our OWN way.
No matter what one might hear from others, or in those “alone quiet time moments we occasionally get”….our own personal sense of logic and common sense, we dig deeply into our inner most thoughts & feelings…our intuition….and then the truth is revealed.
The truth is hard to accept, most don’t want to know the truth because in most cases it cuts like a hot knife through butter.

Some take decades to accept the truth and to see how something that seemed so lovely, can in actuality be very dark and dangerous. Once the wool is removed from over the eyes, once the misty haze of “magic” clears itself….the truth can come out as ugly…..but the truth nonetheless.

I am so proud of you for making an exit from CO$……..you are an amazing lady!

Brian, you and others have already stated all the bad in Scientology, and I agree with you about a lot of it. My disagreement with you is not over this list, but the fact that you keep repeating it, rhetorically exaggerating it, and never without prodding acknowledge the good that’s also there in Scientology.

You’re like a guy having a recurring temper tantrum over his lawnmower not working, when he’s never bothered to get it fixed, and now he hates all lawnmowers and the guy who invented them.

I truly empathize with you regarding the horrific experience you had with the Church in the early 80’s. But taking revenge on the entire subject of Scientology is not the answer.

Thoughts:

The constant narrative of MTC is that he wants to separate out the good from the bad in Scientology. Wants to get rid of all of the harmful negatives from Scientology so that it can be a positive force in the world.

Well, I just pointed out lies. Isn’t that seeing the negative? Why doesn’t he see that what I am attempting is what his stated goal is; Separating the good from the bad.

He says he wants to extricate Hubbard from Scientology. I just gave him points, that if he was truthful about separating Ron’s negatives from Scientology he would see that this post contributes to that end. It points out fraud in advertising; Ron’s psycho manipulating lies to make money.

Doesn’t that warrant directly being looked at as something to be purged from Scientology?

MTC completely avoids the fact that Hubbard lied his ass off on page 1 and 2 of FOT.

The only mention of FOT from MTC is more like a dead agent approach. By saying it was his least favorite book, he deflects what was stated in FOT; lies. He dead agented FOT instead of seeing the lies as one aspect of Scientology that needs to be purged.

Why would he not, as someone interested in separating the good from the bad, truth from untruth, now completely deflect and avoid my mention of the lies on page 1 and 2 of FOT?

He says Ron went off the rails and is part of the problem in Scientology. That’s what he claims. That somehow Ron contributed to the negative in Scientology.

But when I point out Ron’s lying – which IS going off the rails – he dead agents FOT by saying it’s his least favorite book; deflection, dead agenting and obfuscation. Never deals with or reacts to the lies.

I feel sorry for people who have been made an extension of Ron’s Malignant Narcissisism.

Scientologists lie for the greater good and exhibit antisocial traits.
Ron taught his minions psy ops.

What madness this man has bestowed to his followers; pitiful, mighty pitiful.

MTC has never listed out anything negative that should be removed from Scientology. But he constantly says he wants to.

I just gave him something that should; lies.

Yet, instead of acknowledging that lies are something that should be searched out and removed, he third parties FOT.

Geeze Louise! These guys are giving me more fodder for more posts. I feel one coming on now 🙂

🙂 Yes Richard; I sort of remember it from the days that I was intensely participating in the now gone “Scientologists Back in Comm” blog. I feel honored that you found it helpful, thank you!

Back on those days, we didn’t have the great advantage of the Internet where we can have instant access to knowledge. We largely depended on books or a formal education, the latter usually not covering the subjects of philosophy, mysticism, and spiritual healing. We surrendered our poder of observation to LRH instead of rolling our sleeves and doing the hard work of learning by ourselves.

He did all the thinking for us, all the “analysis”, so all we have to do was to sit back and follow his hard-won “wisdom”. We surrendered to an “authority” – humans’ deadly disease – and we paid the consequences. MANY are STILL paying the price by refusing to even look at other healing alternatives or applied philosophies.

I have always said that the greatest damage from Scn didn’t come from “Disconnection”, “Fair-Gaming”, or “Alteration of the tech from others” like from DM. Scn’s greatest harm came from convincing us to let LRH do our thinking for us, thus losing our power of choice over data, and creating in many of us a sort of insidious aversion to study other subjects besides Scn.

“Think for yourself” has ironically been a logan intrinsic to Scn, when it is teaching us exactly to do the OPPOSITE.

And when everything has been said and done; when all reasons for the losses, pains and degradation of our basic nature has been explored and the blame has been wronged placed; it all boils down to just ONE THING : We, in a TOTALLY self-determined way, renounced to our DUTY to “think by ourselves”. We became lazy and let other do our thinking for us. And it was THAT, and not anything else, that created the damage in the first place.

It was not LRH. It was not COB. It was US that hurt ourselves. And when one finally realize that, something miraculous happens : We completely heal and move on. We no longer need anyone to blame. We no longer need anyone to attack. We are FINALLY at peace with everything. And it feel SO GOOD, Richard, it feels so damn good, indeed!

There will ALWAYS be cult leaders. There will ALWAYS be cult members. The correct strategy does not consist on attacking specific cult leaders or attacking their dogmas. The correct strategy consist of teaching others to have enough self-esteem; enough self-respect, so as to doubt EVERYTHING until it has passed the test of our OWN conscious and open-minded analysis of it, REGARDLESS of the opinion of ANY “authority”.

A LOTS of books have been written to criticize Scn and LRH, and to expose their lies. Unfortunately, you don’t see many books about the necessity to think by ourselves. And so we fall prey of cult leaders, “authorities” of all kinds, and political “leaders”, again and again and again. It is time to break from that self-imposed karma. It is time to leave laziness aside, and DO the hard work of thinking by ourselves. It takes a LOT of discipline to do so, but that is, IMHO, humans’ only saving grace. Anything else is just a waste of time.

Like the 12 bankers?

More like 14-15 corporations, not six.

And MSM isn’t technically fraudulent, but it is certainly more interested in providing money for its sponsors than providing factually relevant news.

Ahh yes, the scientist who works for the Heartland Institute.

The institute that advocates:
–against tobacco regulation,
–for privatisation of public schools
–against global warming
–for health savings accounts ending employer subsidized health care
–for fracking

Whatever floats your boat.

I’m in favor of people getting auditing, and getting it in whatever way that works for them.

I don’t think the Church delivers standard tech anymore. DM has squirreled it in order to enhance its mind control potential. So I personally would not get service from the Church.

As for the Indie field, there are KSW auditors and non-KSW auditors. I would trust those KSW auditors with good reputations, but not necessarily those who are also involved in overly vigorous control of their flocks reminiscent of Church ethics.

Re non-KSW auditors, I believe that technical research should continue. I think that LRH was wrong to drive away one-by-one his best research assistants, some of whom went on to develop beneficial tech outside of his control. I’m a fan of Ron’s Org, Sarge Gerbode, Rolf Dane, and Dexter Gelfand.

On the legal front I think individual auditors outside the Church probably have nothing to worry about. But I don’t know if that would be the case for a large, booming org in the US targeting Church members and ex-members, which hasn’t occurred since the 80’s. I’ve been given contradictory legal advice on this, and haven’t gotten to the bottom of it.

Meanwhile I’m rooting for both Merrell Vannier and Sarge Gerbode’s very different solutions. Merrell is trying to break what he claims to be the Church’s legal monopoly on the trademarks and copyrights. Sarge went in the opposite direction and developed his own trademarks, terminology, and written materials, plus did further technical research. The result is a subject that is no longer Scientology per se, but appeals to many ex-Church members.

Thank you Richard; I understand your point, and Rinder and many others have done a great job at that. I believe that as long as one can keep ourselves emotionally detached from Scn – as in keeping an open communication channel where others can become aware of the deceivableness of Scientology – then no great harm is done to us due to our connection with it.

As to the “stickiness” intrinsic in Scn, that’s an understatement!!! Haha