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		By: Realistic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514257&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

I wish we could identify the problem of why we are killing each other, at will. I&#039;m not blaming anyone, I don&#039;t see us turning the destruction of our country, nobody&#039;s talking about it, just see it on the news or read about it. I just was trying to initiate a response to see if anyone else was feeling the same way and was concerned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514257">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>I wish we could identify the problem of why we are killing each other, at will. I&#8217;m not blaming anyone, I don&#8217;t see us turning the destruction of our country, nobody&#8217;s talking about it, just see it on the news or read about it. I just was trying to initiate a response to see if anyone else was feeling the same way and was concerned.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514264</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2023 09:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514133&quot;&gt;Dayna&lt;/a&gt;.

So what? Disgust is not an argument. Try logic.]]></description>
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<p>So what? Disgust is not an argument. Try logic.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2023 08:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514151&quot;&gt;Linear13&lt;/a&gt;.

Children of single parent families are reportedly both psychologically and statistically more likely to suffer mental health issues, have violent tendencies and turn to crime. 

Be it the mother or the father (or both), blame whoever prioritised their own happiness above their child&#039;s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514151">Linear13</a>.</p>
<p>Children of single parent families are reportedly both psychologically and statistically more likely to suffer mental health issues, have violent tendencies and turn to crime. </p>
<p>Be it the mother or the father (or both), blame whoever prioritised their own happiness above their child&#8217;s.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514255</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2023 08:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514102&quot;&gt;Linear13&lt;/a&gt;.

There actually is a growing young male empowerment movement that believe certain gender roles should be assumed. Andrew Tate is a major figure. Pearl of Just Pearly Things is a rising YouTube star from exposing similar ideals. There are many others. 

Whatever ones specific gender beliefs are, many young (typically straight) men of today are seemingly facing an existential crisis, more likely to be single, depressed and have suicidal ideation, while constantly being harangued by the media if they demonstrate a smidge of masculinity or don&#039;t want to date a transsexual. 

Men and women are, on the whole, biologically and psychologically different. That the younger generation is examining how they can find harmony and happiness in today&#039;s woke &quot;non-binary/gender fluid&quot; society is surely a positive thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514102">Linear13</a>.</p>
<p>There actually is a growing young male empowerment movement that believe certain gender roles should be assumed. Andrew Tate is a major figure. Pearl of Just Pearly Things is a rising YouTube star from exposing similar ideals. There are many others. </p>
<p>Whatever ones specific gender beliefs are, many young (typically straight) men of today are seemingly facing an existential crisis, more likely to be single, depressed and have suicidal ideation, while constantly being harangued by the media if they demonstrate a smidge of masculinity or don&#8217;t want to date a transsexual. </p>
<p>Men and women are, on the whole, biologically and psychologically different. That the younger generation is examining how they can find harmony and happiness in today&#8217;s woke &#8220;non-binary/gender fluid&#8221; society is surely a positive thing.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514240</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2023 02:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What about this quote by Hubbard in his letter to Forest Ackerman?

&quot;Wanted to tell you that Sara is beating out her wits on fiction and is having to do this DARK SWORD -cause and cure of nervous tension – properly – THE SCIENCE OF MIND, really EXCALIBUR – in fits, so far, however she has recovered easily from each fit. It will be considerably delayed because of this. Good as my word, however, I shall ship it along just as soon as decent. Then you can rape women without their knowing it, communicate suicide messages to your enemies as they sleep, sell the Arroyo Seco parkway to the mayor for cash, evolve the best way of protecting or destroying communism, and other handy house hold hints. If you go crazy, remember you were warned.&quot;

From

https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/23/l-ron-hubbard-explains-to-a-friend-the-real-reason-he-wrote-dianetics/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about this quote by Hubbard in his letter to Forest Ackerman?</p>
<p>&#8220;Wanted to tell you that Sara is beating out her wits on fiction and is having to do this DARK SWORD -cause and cure of nervous tension – properly – THE SCIENCE OF MIND, really EXCALIBUR – in fits, so far, however she has recovered easily from each fit. It will be considerably delayed because of this. Good as my word, however, I shall ship it along just as soon as decent. Then you can rape women without their knowing it, communicate suicide messages to your enemies as they sleep, sell the Arroyo Seco parkway to the mayor for cash, evolve the best way of protecting or destroying communism, and other handy house hold hints. If you go crazy, remember you were warned.&#8221;</p>
<p>From</p>
<p><a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/23/l-ron-hubbard-explains-to-a-friend-the-real-reason-he-wrote-dianetics/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/23/l-ron-hubbard-explains-to-a-friend-the-real-reason-he-wrote-dianetics/</a></p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514192</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514098&quot;&gt;Reality&lt;/a&gt;.

Notions of the &quot;good old days&quot; are often not very grounded in reality.  Do you know for instance how many children used to end up in orphanages - where they were often mistreated and abused - even when they had two living parents?  And the term &quot;latchkey kid&quot; goes back to at least the 1940s - but for more disadvantaged families whose mothers worked to make ends meet as domestic servants like maids, teachers and secretaries, and so on, the reality of it goes back much further.  

My parents grew up with the old fashioned ideal of being from &quot;good&quot; families well enough off to hire maids and governesses, and send children off to the best boarding schools and summer camps, and thus were not really raised by their own parents even though their mothers didn&#039;t hold formal jobs, but instead socialized and volunteered (one&#039;s father, was a roaring &#039;20s playboy who did the male version of that and never really worked, either).  They didn&#039;t learn how to raise children and also remained absorbed in their own activities - my mother didn&#039;t work, having given up aspirations and talents that left her bitter and drinking heavily, and probably would have been better off and a better example if she had a real job - and my wife and I may have done more family activities with our children on one long weekend that my parents did with me in the entire time I lived at home.

So there&#039;s an anecdotal story that completely contradicts yours.  That&#039;s the problem with anecdotalism - which happens to be practically the stock in trade of Hubbard and Scientology, from Hubbard&#039;s claims of cases and cures, to &quot;wins&quot; and &quot;OT stories.&quot; 

Plus don&#039;t forget, Hubbard, very much the &quot;do as I do, not as I say&quot; type, kept Mary Sue very busy working for him, and then of course going to prison for him.  But it was probably his sloppy theories about things, that resulted in the most damage to his own kids.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514098">Reality</a>.</p>
<p>Notions of the &#8220;good old days&#8221; are often not very grounded in reality.  Do you know for instance how many children used to end up in orphanages &#8211; where they were often mistreated and abused &#8211; even when they had two living parents?  And the term &#8220;latchkey kid&#8221; goes back to at least the 1940s &#8211; but for more disadvantaged families whose mothers worked to make ends meet as domestic servants like maids, teachers and secretaries, and so on, the reality of it goes back much further.  </p>
<p>My parents grew up with the old fashioned ideal of being from &#8220;good&#8221; families well enough off to hire maids and governesses, and send children off to the best boarding schools and summer camps, and thus were not really raised by their own parents even though their mothers didn&#8217;t hold formal jobs, but instead socialized and volunteered (one&#8217;s father, was a roaring &#8217;20s playboy who did the male version of that and never really worked, either).  They didn&#8217;t learn how to raise children and also remained absorbed in their own activities &#8211; my mother didn&#8217;t work, having given up aspirations and talents that left her bitter and drinking heavily, and probably would have been better off and a better example if she had a real job &#8211; and my wife and I may have done more family activities with our children on one long weekend that my parents did with me in the entire time I lived at home.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s an anecdotal story that completely contradicts yours.  That&#8217;s the problem with anecdotalism &#8211; which happens to be practically the stock in trade of Hubbard and Scientology, from Hubbard&#8217;s claims of cases and cures, to &#8220;wins&#8221; and &#8220;OT stories.&#8221; </p>
<p>Plus don&#8217;t forget, Hubbard, very much the &#8220;do as I do, not as I say&#8221; type, kept Mary Sue very busy working for him, and then of course going to prison for him.  But it was probably his sloppy theories about things, that resulted in the most damage to his own kids.</p>
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		By: Ruth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2023 03:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514127&quot;&gt;xL.Ron.Hubbard.TeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes indeed.]]></description>
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<p>Yes indeed.</p>
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		By: Linear13		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2023 03:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514098&quot;&gt;Reality&lt;/a&gt;.

When the mother left the home?  And when was that?  The modern statistics especially in the US show most children being raised in single parent homes…with the mother.  It seems like getting a young man to accept responsibility now a days is damn near impossible.  I feel terrible for the young women of today.  Very few have the help of a husband/fiancé/boyfriend with their children or their bills in the raising of those children.  So the mother gets to work and raise her child.  She doesn’t have the ‘option’ to just stay home and bake cookies, clean and wipe snotty noses while she anxiously waits for hubby to come home.  

Here are some statistics from the first page that popped up on google.  

In the Unit­ed States today, near­ly 24 mil­lion chil­dren live in a sin­gle-par­ent fam­i­ly. This total, which has been ris­ing for half a cen­tu­ry, cov­ers about one in every three kids across Amer­i­ca. A num­ber of long-term demo­graph­ic trends have fueled this increase, includ­ing: mar­ry­ing lat­er, declin­ing mar­riage rates, increas­ing divorce rates and an uptick in babies born to sin­gle mothers.

With­in sin­gle-par­ent fam­i­lies, most chil­dren — 15 mil­lion — live in moth­er-only house­holds. Near­ly 6 mil­lion kids live with cohab­i­tat­ing par­ents and some 3 to 4 mil­lion kids live in father-only house­holds, accord­ing to 2019 esti­mates.*

https://www.aecf.org/blog/child-well-being-in-single-parent-families

I’ve worked, in the past, in a job where I had a chance to see the stats first hand.  Many women, very few with the help of the father,  struggling to make ends meet and raise their children.  Are there men raising children alone?  Absolutely.  But the statistics are much lower.  Before you go blaming the woman for her situation in being single with children, many women have tried to ‘make it work’ with the father of her children only to be rebuffed.  I could go on and on but I won’t.  

You were obviously very lucky to have had parents that loved each other and a father that had an income that could sustain a family.   Many do not.  Both of my parents worked.  If they had not we would have had no place to live nor food in the pantry.  My parents are still together and my father worked until he was almost 80.  My mother until she was 75.  

Before you blame the downfall of the country on women leaving the home you might need to catch up on some statistics.  

There are plenty of women in the home raising their children….alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/hubbard-on-the-role-of-women/#comment-514098">Reality</a>.</p>
<p>When the mother left the home?  And when was that?  The modern statistics especially in the US show most children being raised in single parent homes…with the mother.  It seems like getting a young man to accept responsibility now a days is damn near impossible.  I feel terrible for the young women of today.  Very few have the help of a husband/fiancé/boyfriend with their children or their bills in the raising of those children.  So the mother gets to work and raise her child.  She doesn’t have the ‘option’ to just stay home and bake cookies, clean and wipe snotty noses while she anxiously waits for hubby to come home.  </p>
<p>Here are some statistics from the first page that popped up on google.  </p>
<p>In the Unit­ed States today, near­ly 24 mil­lion chil­dren live in a sin­gle-par­ent fam­i­ly. This total, which has been ris­ing for half a cen­tu­ry, cov­ers about one in every three kids across Amer­i­ca. A num­ber of long-term demo­graph­ic trends have fueled this increase, includ­ing: mar­ry­ing lat­er, declin­ing mar­riage rates, increas­ing divorce rates and an uptick in babies born to sin­gle mothers.</p>
<p>With­in sin­gle-par­ent fam­i­lies, most chil­dren — 15 mil­lion — live in moth­er-only house­holds. Near­ly 6 mil­lion kids live with cohab­i­tat­ing par­ents and some 3 to 4 mil­lion kids live in father-only house­holds, accord­ing to 2019 esti­mates.*</p>
<p><a href="https://www.aecf.org/blog/child-well-being-in-single-parent-families" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.aecf.org/blog/child-well-being-in-single-parent-families</a></p>
<p>I’ve worked, in the past, in a job where I had a chance to see the stats first hand.  Many women, very few with the help of the father,  struggling to make ends meet and raise their children.  Are there men raising children alone?  Absolutely.  But the statistics are much lower.  Before you go blaming the woman for her situation in being single with children, many women have tried to ‘make it work’ with the father of her children only to be rebuffed.  I could go on and on but I won’t.  </p>
<p>You were obviously very lucky to have had parents that loved each other and a father that had an income that could sustain a family.   Many do not.  Both of my parents worked.  If they had not we would have had no place to live nor food in the pantry.  My parents are still together and my father worked until he was almost 80.  My mother until she was 75.  </p>
<p>Before you blame the downfall of the country on women leaving the home you might need to catch up on some statistics.  </p>
<p>There are plenty of women in the home raising their children….alone.</p>
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		By: Sci Ex		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2023 01:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My (now ex) Scientologist wife is a very strong, progressive, liberated, free-spirited woman. That was one of the main things that attracted me to her. That&#039;s what I wanted in the mother of my children. Especially now knowing that I would be the father of two daughters. 

I finally started trying to figure out what Scientology is all about WAY too late. It was a tolerable oddity of her and her family for quite a few years. But it gradually started to consume her and our young family. 

Anyway, when I discovered these passages on Tony&#039;s blog a few years ago, I bought the book and I brought it to her to ask her about it. 

If I had ever tried to dictate her place in our family in these terms, or if any other male in the world had even insinuated to her that this describes what should be a &quot;woman&#039;s place&quot;, she would have ripped parts off. 

But when she saw it for herself in Scientology&#039;s own doctrine, she just stared. She had almost no reaction. I think she even tried to convince me that it wasn&#039;t intended to mean what I interpreted it to be... that it was &quot;out gradient&quot; for me, so I just couldn&#039;t understand it. 

Knowing how strong of a woman she is, and seeing this degree of cognitive dissonance, was truly shocking. The CoS mindfuck became crystal clear to me in that moment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My (now ex) Scientologist wife is a very strong, progressive, liberated, free-spirited woman. That was one of the main things that attracted me to her. That&#8217;s what I wanted in the mother of my children. Especially now knowing that I would be the father of two daughters. </p>
<p>I finally started trying to figure out what Scientology is all about WAY too late. It was a tolerable oddity of her and her family for quite a few years. But it gradually started to consume her and our young family. </p>
<p>Anyway, when I discovered these passages on Tony&#8217;s blog a few years ago, I bought the book and I brought it to her to ask her about it. </p>
<p>If I had ever tried to dictate her place in our family in these terms, or if any other male in the world had even insinuated to her that this describes what should be a &#8220;woman&#8217;s place&#8221;, she would have ripped parts off. </p>
<p>But when she saw it for herself in Scientology&#8217;s own doctrine, she just stared. She had almost no reaction. I think she even tried to convince me that it wasn&#8217;t intended to mean what I interpreted it to be&#8230; that it was &#8220;out gradient&#8221; for me, so I just couldn&#8217;t understand it. </p>
<p>Knowing how strong of a woman she is, and seeing this degree of cognitive dissonance, was truly shocking. The CoS mindfuck became crystal clear to me in that moment.</p>
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		By: safetyguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2023 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I tried to tell my lovely wife of 45 years some of that garbage I would not be in for a very good day.

Husband the leader of the family?  Yes, BUT, what kind of &quot;leader&quot; am I?

I am a &quot;servant leader.&quot;  I put my wife first.  Always.  When my son was born, (like 2 weeks after) she was having a really bad day.  (PPD I think they call it.)  I helped coach a high school soccer team.  I got home to go to practice and sensed her condition.  She needed quiet, and she needed it now.  Sooooooo, I packed the diaper bag and got some water for my son and he and I headed out of the door.  She asked where I was going I said to practice and he is going with me so you can have some peace and quiet.  Her sanity was more important to me than anything else that was going on.  Period.  

Too many people of all sorts do not know what being a servant leader is about.  It works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I tried to tell my lovely wife of 45 years some of that garbage I would not be in for a very good day.</p>
<p>Husband the leader of the family?  Yes, BUT, what kind of &#8220;leader&#8221; am I?</p>
<p>I am a &#8220;servant leader.&#8221;  I put my wife first.  Always.  When my son was born, (like 2 weeks after) she was having a really bad day.  (PPD I think they call it.)  I helped coach a high school soccer team.  I got home to go to practice and sensed her condition.  She needed quiet, and she needed it now.  Sooooooo, I packed the diaper bag and got some water for my son and he and I headed out of the door.  She asked where I was going I said to practice and he is going with me so you can have some peace and quiet.  Her sanity was more important to me than anything else that was going on.  Period.  </p>
<p>Too many people of all sorts do not know what being a servant leader is about.  It works.</p>
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