” I dont have such evidence. But if I did, likely I would not publish it anyway as I think it would make me no better than them. That’s just me. If you come across such evidence you are certainly free to do whatever you want with it.”

Great response , Mike. As soon as anyone feels that the end justify the means , we are all doomed. Doing what any of these lunatics churchies do , would put us in their same category , and that’s never an option.

Thank you for understanding, Hennessey. Yeah, the real people who like to help should be commended. They are using what they believe in to help people and they put themselves in harm’s way to do it. THAT is what we all believed Scientology was about when we got in.

If there is ever a cohesive Indie group or self-chosen membership, I believe that these qualities will have a chance to show and grow.

People are doing it individually all the time.

As a matter of fact, when I first started not going around the org, the OT committee would call and ask if I helped anyone with Scn this week, I’d say yes. But what I was counting were number of seeds sown to get people to look at the truth, indie auditors referred, web links passed on for http://www.friendsoflrg.org Rinder’s blog and Tony Ortega, etc.

Then I felt I was strengthening the org stats so I quit reporting them. 🙂 Kept doing it but stopped reporting them.

😀

Oh, and you’re right about the real VM’s. I completely agree.

OMG, indie- that’s crazy about the guy who lost it in Japan and then receives the Freedom Medal. I guess he can redo his purif, and while he’s at it, his TR’s too. And sounds about right for the rest of the crew who stuck it out to be ignored. Except for being in the photo op, that is!

Yes I agree I have missing education. But as a former soldier it becomes a little irrelevant and more than frustrating when the blood I’ve stood in can be so closely defined. Bullets don’t care what the intention behind them is. The rather unfortunate fact that a whole country can mobilise and wreak such havoc is horrific. I’ve made an error trying to make a point here because the insanity of war has never been understood – mankind is screaming fucking nuts with weaponry and perceived security assessments and the dead don’t have a say in the matter.

Hey Foolproof. Would love to talk. Can you ask Mike for my email addy if you’d like to talk, too? Thanks!

Exactly, Hennessey. I know so many Volunteer Ministers who went out and risked their lives to help people – Haiti, earthquakes, and, most dangerously, the people who went to Japan after Fukishima – AND paid for it all themselves or had to rush around and get donations from friends to go.

The IAS paid for some supplies like water, maybe basic food and the tents (for promotion) but not much, if anything to support the VMs that were there.

Here these people were exposing themselves to intense amounts of radiation to help people and show that they, as Scientologists, care about the world, and they had to pay their own way over there, etc.

That’s why I always defend the actual VM people when others dis the VM project. Again, it’s the people’s sweat and money and risk they take to be caring human beings, and the IAS only puts in the minimum necessary to get the pr.

And then, to add insult to injury, they give the Religious Freedom Medal to some guy who was only over there a week who was spazing out, freaking out saying, “I have to leave!! I can feel the radiation going into my body!” and was pretty much worthless to the whole group over there. The other people who were over there, working their brains out through repeated after shocks and caring for those distressed people for months, went un-thanked in any significant way.

It’s ok. They’re not really doing much these days either. 😉

LOL! Get him drunk with a hidden camera and then start making fun of DM in a way that he would chime in and laugh and impersonate him too. Whoo hoooooo hilarious! Then send that up lines.

Well, actually, I’ve seen Tommy around for a long time. I wouldn’t want to be responsible for a severe beating if DM got a hold of it. Still…

Laughter! Human nature

The NAZI party did NOT use the God is with us wording. The NAZI party in Germany attacked Christian belief and went after Christian clergy and discouraged belief in “God”. You have a large missing area of education. MANY Catholics were sent to concentration camps because of their stand against NAZIism.