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		By: whatareyourcrimes		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210071</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209683&quot;&gt;Razz&lt;/a&gt;.

Razz, many MANY people agree with you, me among them.  And my family and friends, and strangers you meet out in the world.  

Strike up a conversation with anybody and you&#039;ll be pleasantly amazed how despised and loathed are scientologists, and rightfully so.

So the boycott is gaining momentum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209683">Razz</a>.</p>
<p>Razz, many MANY people agree with you, me among them.  And my family and friends, and strangers you meet out in the world.  </p>
<p>Strike up a conversation with anybody and you&#8217;ll be pleasantly amazed how despised and loathed are scientologists, and rightfully so.</p>
<p>So the boycott is gaining momentum.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210042</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210019&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Indie8 - Gawd! - not that kind! Years ago there was a comedy movie about a man who got pregnant which gave me a creepy feeling just to think about it. Childbirth is a beautiful thing, but for me NO WAY! 

The cyberpsychologists stop short of calling excessive internet use an addiction but who knows. Maybe someday there will be an internet Twelve Step program.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210019">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Indie8 &#8211; Gawd! &#8211; not that kind! Years ago there was a comedy movie about a man who got pregnant which gave me a creepy feeling just to think about it. Childbirth is a beautiful thing, but for me NO WAY! </p>
<p>The cyberpsychologists stop short of calling excessive internet use an addiction but who knows. Maybe someday there will be an internet Twelve Step program.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210015&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Indie, you are insanely babbling.  NO ONE (not even Miscavige) in the early 80&#039;s &quot;knew about Miscavige getting rid of Pat and Annie.&quot; as it didn&#039;t happen until years later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210015">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Indie, you are insanely babbling.  NO ONE (not even Miscavige) in the early 80&#8217;s &#8220;knew about Miscavige getting rid of Pat and Annie.&#8221; as it didn&#8217;t happen until years later.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210028</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210015&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

One thing I will note -- he didnt need &quot;convincing&quot; about the greed of the Mission Holders. That is what he already thought. He was obsessed with people &quot;stealing&quot; and &quot;poaching on&quot; &quot;his&quot; orgs. This had begun in the mid to late 70&#039;s when he was hell bent on getting businessmen &quot;off the backs&quot; of orgs. It led to the formation of WISE. The purpose of getting &quot;LRH admin tech disseminated to the world&quot; was a VERY secondary consideration and was primarily done as a PR angle and as a way to generate income from royalties. The Missions &quot;stealing&quot; org public followed naturally along from scientology businessmen &quot;stealing&quot; org staff and mailing lists. It was a long progression into insanity. But if you look back to the original Dianetics Foundation he was paranoid the same thing happened then -- Don Purcell &quot;stole&quot; his Dianetics Foundation and then various people tried to do it to scientology. It&#039;s a pattern that continued through the 60&#039;s -- look at the Amprinistics issue. Perhaps the most outrageous and vicious thing ever published in scientology. They were &quot;squirrels&quot; trying to &quot;steal the tech.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210015">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>One thing I will note &#8212; he didnt need &#8220;convincing&#8221; about the greed of the Mission Holders. That is what he already thought. He was obsessed with people &#8220;stealing&#8221; and &#8220;poaching on&#8221; &#8220;his&#8221; orgs. This had begun in the mid to late 70&#8217;s when he was hell bent on getting businessmen &#8220;off the backs&#8221; of orgs. It led to the formation of WISE. The purpose of getting &#8220;LRH admin tech disseminated to the world&#8221; was a VERY secondary consideration and was primarily done as a PR angle and as a way to generate income from royalties. The Missions &#8220;stealing&#8221; org public followed naturally along from scientology businessmen &#8220;stealing&#8221; org staff and mailing lists. It was a long progression into insanity. But if you look back to the original Dianetics Foundation he was paranoid the same thing happened then &#8212; Don Purcell &#8220;stole&#8221; his Dianetics Foundation and then various people tried to do it to scientology. It&#8217;s a pattern that continued through the 60&#8217;s &#8212; look at the Amprinistics issue. Perhaps the most outrageous and vicious thing ever published in scientology. They were &#8220;squirrels&#8221; trying to &#8220;steal the tech.&#8221;</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209515&quot;&gt;Mary Kahn&lt;/a&gt;.

Aye and I love you all. Hilarious! 

I&#039;m going to try watering a couple of dollar bills...

Watch what ol&#039; George Bailey does with his mama dollar and papa dollar at 48:30. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOHuTghRmIM]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209515">Mary Kahn</a>.</p>
<p>Aye and I love you all. Hilarious! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to try watering a couple of dollar bills&#8230;</p>
<p>Watch what ol&#8217; George Bailey does with his mama dollar and papa dollar at 48:30. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOHuTghRmIM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOHuTghRmIM</a></p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209690&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, my goodness, Richard. You have an IUD? How does that work for a man? I can&#039;t quite Grok that...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209690">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, my goodness, Richard. You have an IUD? How does that work for a man? I can&#8217;t quite Grok that&#8230;</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210018</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209654&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aw now, Aquamarine. I just saw this thread. I was going to let you know about Stranger in a Strange Land too, but you already closed the door. :(

Sounds like you might need a little help. Just give a shout if you need some back-up in that menage a quatre. lol!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209654">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aw now, Aquamarine. I just saw this thread. I was going to let you know about Stranger in a Strange Land too, but you already closed the door. 🙁</p>
<p>Sounds like you might need a little help. Just give a shout if you need some back-up in that menage a quatre. lol!</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209627&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

:D]]></description>
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<p>😀</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210005&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Well well, Wynski. I appreciate that you had the &quot;inside dope&quot; on what was &quot;actually&quot; happening at that time. Maybe you were isolated in the Sea Org then so didn&#039;t have a clue what the public knew and didn&#039;t know. 

In the future, please don&#039;t tell me what I know or don&#039;t know.

I was public and I did know about Miscavige getting rid of Pat and Annie. Maybe my time line was a little off (that didn&#039;t fully happen until after LRH&#039;s death, granted). I knew people who left in &#039;83 and, as time went on, that was one of the things they were upset about. At that time, I read the issue that made Pat and Annie Loyal Officers. 

I agree with you that LRH agreed with slaughtering the missions and the mission holders. But my understanding was that it was only after Miscavige and co. convinced him that the mission holders were greedy pigs. If they hadn&#039;t have cremated the mission network, DM might actually have the ACTUAL expansion he brags about.

IMHO, by that time, Ron was mentally unstable (by no means innocent of his own crimes) and that Miscavige took full advantage of that and manipulated him to accumulate his own power. DM was even calling him &quot;the crazy old man&quot;.

How does that match with your observation? Any changes or additions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-210005">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Well well, Wynski. I appreciate that you had the &#8220;inside dope&#8221; on what was &#8220;actually&#8221; happening at that time. Maybe you were isolated in the Sea Org then so didn&#8217;t have a clue what the public knew and didn&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>In the future, please don&#8217;t tell me what I know or don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I was public and I did know about Miscavige getting rid of Pat and Annie. Maybe my time line was a little off (that didn&#8217;t fully happen until after LRH&#8217;s death, granted). I knew people who left in &#8217;83 and, as time went on, that was one of the things they were upset about. At that time, I read the issue that made Pat and Annie Loyal Officers. </p>
<p>I agree with you that LRH agreed with slaughtering the missions and the mission holders. But my understanding was that it was only after Miscavige and co. convinced him that the mission holders were greedy pigs. If they hadn&#8217;t have cremated the mission network, DM might actually have the ACTUAL expansion he brags about.</p>
<p>IMHO, by that time, Ron was mentally unstable (by no means innocent of his own crimes) and that Miscavige took full advantage of that and manipulated him to accumulate his own power. DM was even calling him &#8220;the crazy old man&#8221;.</p>
<p>How does that match with your observation? Any changes or additions?</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209977&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Indie, you haven&#039;t a clue.  In the early 80&#039;s the public Scn&#039;ers didn&#039;t even know the names, Pat &#038; Annie.  AND, at that time DM wasn&#039;t trying to &quot;throw them out&quot;.  Also, &quot;they&quot; lined no one up.  That was an LRH thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ideal-missions-ocala-fail/#comment-209977">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Indie, you haven&#8217;t a clue.  In the early 80&#8217;s the public Scn&#8217;ers didn&#8217;t even know the names, Pat &amp; Annie.  AND, at that time DM wasn&#8217;t trying to &#8220;throw them out&#8221;.  Also, &#8220;they&#8221; lined no one up.  That was an LRH thing.</p>
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